knew I could count on your for some excellent ideas--will pass them along to the beginner class. Spending a little more time on it next week is needed--most are getting it, but some understand how to find the 1/4" but just can't keep it for very long, so these are really great ideas. I'm going to buy a pack of bamboo skewers for next week--they will be doing a drunkard's path and will need it then too.