I have had reds and blues that I threw out because it would not quit running. I think I would use the previously mentioned products, at my house would have to put it in the bathtub, the washer does fill up the way they used too! I figure the tub has lots more room. I have had to wash a top before quilting because I was careless. I did it in tub and tried not to agitate it too much. Worked out fine, not too many shredded threads.