Well I did not wind up with any of those. I jumped the gun and bought a Janome 1600P. It is awesome. Quiet and really really fast. The only issue I have is when I want to quilt I have to change the whole plate. The feed dogs do not lower. You put another plate that is thicker. The walking foot is very quite also. And it has 2 lights on it. But I do wish I had actually tried the Juki. lol I got caught up in the sales pitch. lol But I do have to say. They wanted $999 and I got it for $699. I have to go back tomorrow and pick up the knee lifter because it was not with it. So maybe I will just try that Juki.