I have a used George and I was use to long arming, so this is a whole new animal I'm having to get use too..but I'm doing well on it...I just finished a king size for my grandson..takes lots of practice and patience...but I love the machine..got it for a steal...it's a 2012 model...but very few hours on it...so they are out there, the forum is a great place to look..good luck in your search...