people I rechecked all of this link here, you all do have fantastic ideas.one was those tubs, I have some laying around, so laying them on their side is better? I will give that a try. I do have some of those old milk crates I have used too. I just have to regroup, reorganize. I have been so long out of the loop, I just want to get back in & go for it! thanks for the ideas ladies!!