I had a HV Mega Quilter 18 made by Tin Lizzie, no computer, just the basics. It spent more time at the factory being repaired than I had it. It would be gone for 3 months each time, 3 times. All the electronics had been replaced during these visits to the factory. The 4th time it went because of a serious vibration, it came back after 2 weeks saying there was nothing wrong with it. It vibrated so bad my hands would go numb. I finally sold it for the price of the Grace frame, and now own a Handi Quilter Avante. The old adage "you get what you pay for" was very true in this instance.