I just took a pic and enlarged it and found something else that is closer to the original dates I had. Goes to show what age and poor vision does to you. I feel much better that I was closer the first time. I thought I was losing my touch. When I enlarged the pic I see the letter "G"!!!!. I wasn't happy with the 1861 date either because that should have been long bobbin days. Here is the pic. Thanks for all the thoughts on this I am glad that I am not to far off. With this "G" it puts it in and around 1910 even though the throat plate says 1905.