Debbie (and other dull pointed peeps) it's easier not to sew the point off if you have that piece on top. You can see as your coming to it if you're too close or too far away before it's too late. I know how to do it but that doesn't mean i always get it right. I've done some of them as many as 3 times. After that they're too raggy to use from all the ripit-ripit .