Oh no...my bad! My cousin was quite a quilter, has dementia, and deteriorated very rapidly. I was give a bunch of her tools, notions etc. She had a lot of the pin clips in one box, and the tools in another. I had no idea what they were. Might have tossed them! Will need to go back through her things again to see if I kept them. I'm a pinner, so why did I not know what they were?!!