ibex - the first is called "Road to California" and the second is "Handy Andy". I have the book "5,500 quilt block designs" by Maggie Malone, so page through to find something I like and then draw it up in EQ8 as a 12" block to get the basic cutting measurements. Been ending up with a lot of 1/16" increments, but it's still fun to see how it all works out. Often I have to draw the block with leaving some lines out so I can get the unit measures for things like covered corners or flying geese. The program always gives point to point measures for any angle cuts, and I much prefer to use the Easy Angle method instead.