When we moved from Phoenix to to norther AZ I made 13 dozen by my self. I did not know it was a family affair. I had a recipe but did not know a lot of the stuff so I went to a store called Bashes and some ladies helped me to get the correct ingredients. When i proceeded I talked to a friend she ask if I got the papers, I did not know about that so back to the groc. Well I bought a big Pan also to steam them in. I read about the olive and that is a surprise in the package. I finished the project and was very tired. I gave some away and people who knew told me they were very good, I made the pork ones. That is the end of my tamale making.