Joe'smom, Oh, goodness, geese and I just don't fly well together. I loose points, get wonky rectangles and more often than not just let them go their own way. They often fly directly into the recycle bin. I am doing OK with the four at a time method but still seem to get one of the "sky pieces" a little bigger than the other. Trim, trim, trim. Three cheers to you who have these honkers figured out. I avoid them whenever possible. Hard to do with so many patterns using geese by the flock.