Western Oregon hasn't had any flats, any size for 2 years now. I ordered some from Amazon and they took 2 months to arrive. Couldn't get any tracking info so when they finally arrived I noticed they were from China and they sent me the wrong size! I had to ask for a refund, I'll be lucky to get it I suppose. I then ordered some from Ball and the same thing has happened, no shipping date yet but I'm not holding my breath. I'll be doing a lot of freezing this year again.