I have the pounce, bought it several years ago, and just like almost all the others, I do not like it. But I was using it as a pounce and it just made a mess. I was hand quilting and it just wiped away before I got to that area. I use the blue water soluble markers. I also have one that marks in white for dark fabrics and is also water soluble. For small areas and straight lines, I like the chaco liners. However, I did a large hand pieced, and hand quilted for my daugh in law and used the red and blue chaco markers for the ivory sashing . When I finished and washed the quilt only in water, no soap, it did not come out. I did cry. I washed it several times and even used Clorox II (Yikes). It finally faded out, but never again would I use the red and blue on light colors.