Sandpat, so am I - although there is one from this next week that I have to redo, I thought I could get away with a palish grey thread on a yellow and white block, but no - the thread is glaring out at each point and alas I am going to redo it, and I hate redo-ing them. I already redid M13 cos it said a 5" circle and thought that included an allowance and it didn't. Still if I wasn't doing this I would be having to find something else to do!!