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Thread: Machine embroidery question about stabilizers.

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    Machine embroidery question about stabilizers.

    Why is paper stabilizer used on cotton fabric for embroidering? I used the fabric spray stabilizer and it worked great. No puckers and the design is soft not stiff. I'm new at machine embroidery and those in my sewing group said I had to use the paper. When I asked why they said that was the way the classes they take say to do it. They have never used the spray. There are many different types of paper stabilizers, I don't see why I have to buy a selection when the spray works perfectly. Is there a reason not to use the spray?
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    As far as spray basting, go for it. I use it all the time when just the stabilizer is hooped and I'm embroidering on fabric smaller than the hoop. Paper stabilizer? Not sure what you are referring to but I match my stabilizer to the number of stitches in the design and how the finished design will be used. Every stabilizer has a max recommended number of stitch and I start there. (Mine has a information sheet rolled up inside the cardboard roll.) Overall my advise is to use what works for you and is appropriate to the finished product.

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    I was taught to use tear away when I bought my first machine and quickly discovered that I'm not a big fan of it. It's last on my list of preferred stabilizers. I much prefer using anything else. The type of stabilizer depends on what fabric you're using and the intended finished project. Don't let the embroidery police influence you, let your own experience tell you what to use. I always do at least one test stitch out to see if I need to use a different stabilizer, if the design is going to stitch out correctly, and if I want to make any changes to the colors. There are many charts for choosing the correct stabilizer for the project, I think of them as a guide, not as hard and fast rules most of the time. I've never heard of a spray stabilizer, can you post a link?

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    I don't use any stabilizer except the spray, not adhesive spray. It works great. Why aren't more embroiders using it or is there a reason why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onebyone View Post
    I don't use any stabilizer except the spray, not adhesive spray. It works great. Why aren't more embroiders using it or is there a reason why not?
    Probably the same as so many other questions/answers in the quilting world!
    There is NO one way to do things ..... and the way that works for you, is the way to do it!

    How many times have you seen a technique in an LQS and said, but, why?
    And think that they should be doing it in a different manner.
    Everyone has their own preferences, and right ways!

    Plus, some do not expand their horizons, to see what else there is beyond the same-old-same-old!
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    I am trying the spray on tee shirt fabric next. I won't wear tee shirts with the stiff embroidery so I hope this works.


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    The density of the design has as much or more to do with the stiffness as the stabilizer does. I'm not interested in using Terial magic but if it works for you that's great. It seems like a lot of extra effort and prep time to me. Hooping the right stabilizer is fast and easy once you know enough about them. Not to say that I always get it right the first time, but that's one thing test stitch outs are for.

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    But then the excess stabilizer has to be cut away and from the tiny spots in the embroidery. That alone will be more time consuming then the prep and then the stabilizer will be under the threads making it heavy. I don't put in a bowl, I spray and iron like starch. I don't let it set for any time. Works the same for me. I tried the wash away and tear away, way to much hassle. I'm glad we all have choices.

    I'm entering some of my work in the machine embroidery category at a quilt show. I'm anxious to get the judges remarks good or bad.
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    I love Terial Magic. I buy it by the gallon on Amazon. I use it instead of starch before I cut my fabric for piecing. It's perfect to prevent bias edges from stretching. My hsts and other bias edge cuts fit perfectly together block to block. I use for machine applique, no wrinkles, fullness or puckers at all. Most all the machine embroiders in my guild use it instead of the stabilizers normally used. That's where I learned about it. The tee shirt embroidery is so soft and moves with the fabric not stuck to it like a sticker.

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    OK my ears are perked straight up!!....I want to know how to use this to do embroidery on t-shirt fabric. I have several shirts I will be making from scratch for a friend.

    Do you soak the fabric, let it dry, then cut the pattern out before embroidering? How do you hoop the fabric?

    How does the embroidery look after several washings?

    Will this work for Jeans shirt fabric as well?

    I need details please. Dang I'm excited to learn about this!!!!

    Thanks

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    Check the video. And read machine embroidery posts at different embroidery groups at Facebook. Too many groups to list. The spray stiffens fabric. So far I have only tried cotton fabric. I spray it on like starch. No soaking but I do let it seep in the fabric before ironing like starch. The bowl will keep over spray contained and easier to get the piece covered with the spray. I hoop the fabric like normal. I don't know what you mean by cutting the pattern out before embroidering.
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    This is very interesting - would like to find it locally instead of on Amazon to try it. When I embroidery on T-shirts I use an adhesive stabilizer so there is NO pull. But I can see where it would be wonderful for HSTs and even in embroidery. But when I use embroidery on a quilt I use a cut-away and leave it the size of the bock, I have found it gives it a bit more strength and it won't curl under after being washed.
    I am a little concerned it is not carried by quilt shops and there fabric stores. But it is worth a try. So guess I will order it on Amazon and see what happens.

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    I just started to embroider and never heard of the fabric spray stailizer!
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    I also am very interested to hear about this product. I am new to embroidery and any new to me technique is greatly appreciated. I am wearing a tshirt that I have embroidered and am not fond of the stiffness imparted by the stabilizer I used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onebyone View Post
    Check the video. And read machine embroidery posts at different embroidery groups at Facebook. Too many groups to list. The spray stiffens fabric. So far I have only tried cotton fabric. I spray it on like starch. No soaking but I do let it seep in the fabric before ironing like starch. The bowl will keep over spray contained and easier to get the piece covered with the spray. I hoop the fabric like normal. I don't know what you mean by cutting the pattern out before embroidering.
    I'm going to make shirts. Spaghetti strap & tank top style from t-shirt knits. The embroidery will be done on the center/upper front of the shirts. So you'd need to have enough fabric to hoop. I'm guessing you'd have to stiffen the fabric, do the embroidery then cut out the shirt front.

    Shirts I've done up to now.... I ironed on a stabilizer & had to trim & let some of it in. Not happy with that feel. I have purchased t-shirts with embroidery & they didn't use any stabilizer.

    I did some research & saw that it is supposed to be good for knits. Saw they did embroidery on baby shirts, etc using the Terial Magic. I would still use a wash away stabilizer on top of my fabric to keep the stitches from sinking into the knit fabric.

    I'm headed to my Bernina dealer today & if they have it I'll get some & try it.

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    I am going to follow this thread closely. I'm totally new to embroidery- received a beautiful machine from my dear husband for Christmas. I haven't even had time to try it out really, because of being ill and several things that have blocked my getting to try the machine. I have a question for those of you who are veterans in the field. For those who have used this spray, will this gum up the needles and the machine?
    Next question, why do you need to count our stitches for each item you embroider,is this so you will know when to have your machine serviced or for what reason? Thanks for the help .

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    Just looked at the video, wow, I am going to try it! Wonder how it will work in the magnetic hoop? Looks easy!

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    Thanks for the tip. This is a new product to me - I can't wait to try it on t-shirts! I generally embroider on veils made of lace and use wash away, so not much thought given to anything else. I'd love to do an embroidered quilt so maybe this will get me going!

    Quote Originally Posted by Onebyone View Post
    I am trying the spray on tee shirt fabric next. I won't wear tee shirts with the stiff embroidery so I hope this works.


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    This is very interesting. I did not know about this spray stabilizer. I am going to try it too.

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    I am also a beginner at machine embroidery. So far I have only used the tear away & the cut away. I am going to check on the spray too because it seems so much easier with the way you do it. I sometimes think that people that say to use a certain product is because it is their own product or it is a friends product & of course that is their way of promoting it. Their product is probably really good but it is not the only way. Do what works best for you & what you like. I'm glad you posted this because I had no idea about the spray. Thank you

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    I'm guessing you'd have to stiffen the fabric, do the embroidery then cut out the shirt front.
    Being new to embroidery I don't understand cutting out the pattern or shirt part. I hooped the part of the shirt I wanted to embroider on. DD wanted a design on a shirt pocket. I said fine but you won't be able to open the pocket. I'm not going to that much trouble to put a flower on a shirt. I stiffened the shirt pocket part, put in hoop, used variegated thread and done in 2 min. My machine is not a fancy one. It is a Brother 8500 D.

    I'm surprised many don't know about the spray. I've seen guild members use it for their embroidery for some years now. Some members use it for the Scan and Cut machines to make the fabric stiff for cutting. One member said her DD uses it to shape elaborate hair do for wigs for her theater group.
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    We are all taught differently. I moved 500 miles from my original dealer (where I bought my first embroidery machine) and the new dealer had a different way of doing things. So my motto has become to do what works. It is a like anything else in life--a million ways to do things but they all either work for you or they don't. Another reason to ALWAYS do a test run and see how it sews out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onebyone View Post
    Being new to embroidery I don't understand cutting out the pattern or shirt part. I hooped the part of the shirt I wanted to embroider on. DD wanted a design on a shirt pocket. I said fine but you won't be able to open the pocket. I'm not going to that much trouble to put a flower on a shirt. I stiffened the shirt pocket part, put in hoop, used variegated thread and done in 2 min. My machine is not a fancy one. It is a Brother 8500 D.

    I'm surprised many don't know about the spray. I've seen guild members use it for their embroidery for some years now. Some members use it for the Scan and Cut machines to make the fabric stiff for cutting. One member said her DD uses it to shape elaborate hair do for wigs for her theater group.
    I'm making spaghetti strap summer tops....so the design will be towards the top front/neckline of the shirt. Not enough fabric there to hoop. I'll just stiffen a piece of fabric, do the embroidery & then cut out the front of the shirt.

    I saw this product used to make fabric bowls, but had no idea it was also being used on shirts for embroidery.

    A lot of us don't belong to Guilds. I don't. My dealer is 50 miles away & they do mostly quilting & crafts. I do more garment sewing than quilting, so I don't go to any classes, etc.

    I bought some Terial Magic today. As soon as I get time I'm going to give this a try & see how it works.

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    Something that should be remembered though is that light weight fabrics like t shirt knits and flour sack towels are not heavy enough to support machine embroidery on their own. They need to have some sort of permanent stabilization.

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    That is very true. If the pattern is too dense for the fabric - it will curl. A friend of mine was putting logo's on shirts for her DH's business, she had to use a double layer of a heavy cutaway to keep the embroidery neat. It was on a basic cotton men's shirt, not T-shirt fabric.

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