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Thread: Contoversial quilt story on MSNBC...what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crochetetc
    Did anyone notice that they only interviewed older women. I am 32 and think it is great art work and would let my 8 yo see it. There is no reason to be ashamed of the female body.
    I noticed that too.

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    Call me a prude, but after looking at the quilt - I think the plight of the homeless could have been done in a more respectful way. Women took off their bras, but they didn't run around naked to prove...what were we proving?

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    Personally, I can't see the beauty in this quilt. Just my opinion. I am sure the creator is quite talented, however, it was a strange way to bring attention to homeless women and children and I find it inappropriate for a quilt show and question why they would allow such a showing with out presenting it with the option of to see or not to see.

    Maybe it would have been better received if it had been auctioned off and the proceeds presented to a homeless shelter to actually help the homeless. Talk is just that.....without action. I am sure quite a lot of people would probably like it and bid on it.

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    I obviously haven't seen this quilt, but based on the detailed description, I would say that if I did I would be offended by it's graphic detail.

    I do believe art is a very personal expression, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. I do think artists should use some discretion in their artistic voice, and it seems that this detail was unnecessary to express her view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieR
    Art is art. This quilt is beautiful, in its design and in its message. Nobody is asking anyone else to "like" it. Homelessness isn't really something to "like".

    Quote Originally Posted by MCH
    Perhaps instead of spending all that time planning, creating, and getting the quilted qualified for the "show", the artist (?) should have spent the time actually DOING something practical for homeless / abused women.

    Now, that would have made a statement relative to the issue.

    Instead, the artist prefers an "in your face" message.

    I agree completely with BellaBoo and merry.
    The artist DID do something - she got US all talking about homelessness, didn't she? How many people were reminded of the reality of homelessness by her message? ALL OF US, for sure. For a group that gives so much to charity we sure are judgmental about how others choose to contribute.

    Not everyone is into fussy cutting kittens or sewing 5000 tiny pieces of cotton together into a grid that makes your hands hurt to look at it (which is what I'm doing right now). Some people quilt with a different message in mind, which we should still honor for its artistic contribution and the craftsmanship displayed.
    I don't think this artist did get her message across. We are talking about the explicit detail depicted on her quilt, not homelessness issues.

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    If the artist were all prudish and subdued in her portrayal we wouldn't be talking about it now. To me the nudity expresses this woman's exposure to the elements and public scorn while worrying how she's going to bring an innocent new life into that world.

    Putting a snowsuit on her would pretty much defeat the purpose.

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    I get that art is art... but I don't take my kids to sections of the museum that have naked ladies. I am not offended by this, but I am in my thirties and I don't find this appealing at all. Much of the nudes painted and sculpted hundreds of years ago were to glorify the human body, not for "social" reform. The art/paintings that are similar to this quilt are done for shock value. I think the quilter wanted to offend people.

    Personally, I think it is pornographic and should not be hanging where children might be.

    Do you think ANYONE will look at this quilt and think that they should do more for naked, pregnant women showing off their privates while sitting in a box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanetM

    I don't think this artist did get her message across. We are talking about the explicit detail depicted on her quilt, no homlessness issues.
    I'm changing my next quilt to one for the local women's shelter. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyMarie
    Do you think ANYONE will look at this quilt and think that they should do more for naked, pregnant women showing off their privates while sitting in a box?
    It's a metaphor. Come on, now.

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    Janet M. I agree with you. I remember when I was just a wee girl, my grandmother and aunts sitting around the wood stove at night quilting. Personally, I would be embarrassed to put something like this on display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieR
    Quote Originally Posted by MistyMarie
    Do you think ANYONE will look at this quilt and think that they should do more for naked, pregnant women showing off their privates while sitting in a box?
    It's a metaphor. Come on, now.
    Yes, I am aware of the figurative aspect of this quilt. However, I see it for what it is... not reading into it. I don't go to quilt shows to get the "metaphorical" meanings, but to appreciate the colors, the patterns, and the craftmanship that goes into the quilts.

    Having grown up with an artist for a mother, I have been through hundreds of museums and can appreciate metaphorical art. This is not "art" that I can appreciate. No different, to me, than the metaphorical painting in the Smithsonian that showed Jesus in a jar of urine. I didn't care what the artist was TRYING to get across; all I saw was a disgusting painting.

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    MistyMarie wrote:
    Do you think ANYONE will look at this quilt and think that they should do more for naked, pregnant women showing off their privates while sitting in a box?

    It's a metaphor. Come on, now.
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    A metaphor???? For what? Indecency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbiSue
    MistyMarie wrote:
    Do you think ANYONE will look at this quilt and think that they should do more for naked, pregnant women showing off their privates while sitting in a box?

    It's a metaphor. Come on, now.
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    A metaphor???? For what? Indecency?
    A metaphor for being stripped of all you own, for being laid bare for all the world to see.

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    1. Perhaps this quilter was homeless at one time. Did any of you think of that? No, of course not, that's not a fun thought - is it?

    2. How do any of you condemers know this women isn't actively working to reduce the plight of the homeless? You don't - it's to easy to cast stones with no thought!

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    I searched and searched for other points of view on this, from the media. I am disappointed that the only opinions I could find are those of NBC. Doesn't anybody else have anything to say about this?

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    It appears that all the creator of the quilt has really done is cause division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace
    Art is art. I can't believe in this day and age people still call a naked body "pornography". Pornography is sexual content. This quilt, is not about sex and is all about awareness. I don't exactly care for it, but it doesn't bother me in the least.
    Gotta agree here. It's people who make natural things like our bodys something bad. It is in good taste. However, this is not the first controversial quilt to arise. Several have been banned from quilt shows. SOme articles appear in many quilt
    magazines. I think the children are exposed to worse things on tv that they watch, even the cartoons. JMHO

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    art is art, like one member said...how many naked paintings, statues, etc exist in the world???...that being said, why is this quilt such a problem???...also, art mimics/depicts life, so they should think about that

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyMarie
    Yes, I am aware of the figurative aspect of this quilt. However, I see it for what it is... not reading into it. I don't go to quilt shows to get the "metaphorical" meanings, but to appreciate the colors, the patterns, and the craftmanship that goes into the quilts.

    Having grown up with an artist for a mother, I have been through hundreds of museums and can appreciate metaphorical art. This is not "art" that I can appreciate. No different, to me, than the metaphorical painting in the Smithsonian that showed Jesus in a jar of urine. I didn't care what the artist was TRYING to get across; all I saw was a disgusting painting.
    I'm sad you can't see the beauty in something non-traditional. But I'm not losing sleep over that.

    However to my earlier point, I personally don't understand how anyone can forget the rich history and stories told by the traditional quilts we see here today. It's like we chop things up and sew them back together just because they're "soooo prreeetttyyy!" There are stories here every single day about making quilts for loved ones who are far away or sick or grieving. We make quilts for children without families, and for cancer patients. We make them for animals in shelter and NICU babies. They MEAN something.

    If they don't mean anything then why don't we just buy the stupid things and have done with it? It would certainly save us a ton of time and money, not to mention heartbreak when a recipient throws it in the dog's crate.

    ETA: I wasn't interested in the Jesus urine jar either, but I wouldn't belittle the artist's work or intent. *shrug*

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    I would think that the artist could still get the point across without such detail in that specific area. I am 32 and would not want my children-boys 12 and 10- to see it all layed out there like that. To me, it is something private and not to be put on display.

    However, I don't think the quilt shouldn't be allowed at the show, perhaps somewhat secluded with a warning or something. I can imagine walking from one quilt to the next admiring the stitches here, the placement there, then BAM! its in your face. Would be quite a shocker to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbiSue
    MistyMarie wrote:
    Do you think ANYONE will look at this quilt and think that they should do more for naked, pregnant women showing off their privates while sitting in a box?

    It's a metaphor. Come on, now.
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    A metaphor???? For what? Indecency?
    Why do you consider a vagina indecent? Lots of people have one.

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    I personally hate it when politics has to override art.

    The quilt may not be pornographic, but it most certainly is indecent. People have a right to expect to be protected from indecency in public. If there were a live person exposing those parts in the same room, I guarantee you they would be hauled off on charges of public indecency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiltSage
    Why do you consider a vagina indecent? Lots of people have one.
    It's not the vagina, but the act of exposing it in public which is indecent. There are laws on the books against this.

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    Didn't and wouldnt of bothered mean to each there own is my motto...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathyvv
    People express themselves in different ways.

    As with any piece of art, you are not forced to look at it.

    If you don't like to look at it, don't look. Problem solved.
    I agree ! Well said.

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