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Thread: Copy Right question

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    I have bought several Norman Rockwell Paint by numbers over the years. Here is my question. If I print off pictures of his prints on and then color them to make a crayon quilt. Do you think that will be a copy right violation? I would not be selling this quilt. It would be displayed in my living room.
    Thanks for any help you can give me.

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    I wouldn't worry about it if you are not selling it.

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    Don't worry about it. Enjoy NR

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    as long as you do not sell it, then you should be ok, but it does not hurt to write and ask about it..even prints have copyright so you never know these days!

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    You bought the patterns for your use. If it were me I wouldn't worry about it. I think the copyright rules people take too seriously. You bought it to use as you please as long as you don't sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airwick156
    You bought the patterns for your use. If it were me I wouldn't worry about it. I think the copyright rules people take too seriously. You bought it to use as you please as long as you don't sell it.
    Ditto! Enjoy it!

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    Same here. If it's for your own personal use, I'd just do it and enjoy. Reselling it though would be an issue.

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    No problem to reproduce/change/manipulate/ as much as you want if for personal use. No selling or copying to give or sell, but you can claim/sell the change process but not the image.

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    Thanks for asking this question.

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    If you do not make it for profit then it should be fine. Copyrights are in place so people do not take a well known name or picture and make a fortune off of them giving none to the person that came up with the idea or spent the time painting or drawing it.

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    Thanks for the advice. I guess I am going to go for it.

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    I have to disagree. You will be violating the copyright by creating your own image of someone else's print. You are copying his work! If you were just painting the paint-by-the-numbers, which was presumably authorized by the copyright holder, you would not be violating copyright.

    Now, will you be "caught"? Made to compensate? Probably not. But it is still copying, and that is what copyright protects against. The issue of whether it's for personal use or for profit does not change the fact that you are making an unauthorized copy of someone else's original work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunster
    I have to disagree. You will be violating the copyright by creating your own image of someone else's print. You are copying his work! If you were just painting the paint-by-the-numbers, which was presumably authorized by the copyright holder, you would not be violating copyright.

    Now, will you be "caught"? Made to compensate? Probably not. But it is still copying, and that is what copyright protects against. The issue of whether it's for personal use or for profit does not change the fact that you are making an unauthorized copy of someone else's original work.
    Technically correct. Again technically, what you're doing is making a copy of a COPY of someone's work.

    However, since Norman Rockwell's been deceased awhile and his paintings are at least 50 years old and older, there is a good chance that the copyright on the particular paintings you have are not enforceable. Many Norman Rockwell paintings are in the public domain, and are no longer protected by copyright laws. Also, everything painted before 1923 is in fact in the public domain.

    Rather than spell it all out here, here's a good source to read about this specific question --

    http://www.best-norman-rockwell-art.com/copyright.html

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    if you break the copyright rules-get caught and get that HUGE FINE you won't think they are taken so...seriously- you will realize they are serious! copyright infringment is a HUGE DEAL and can cost a person thousands of dollars.
    Quote Originally Posted by Airwick156
    You bought the patterns for your use. If it were me I wouldn't worry about it. I think the copyright rules people take too seriously. You bought it to use as you please as long as you don't sell it.

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    Yep and the copyright police are hiding in your closet! It is for personal use.....you are not selling it or making any money from it. You know, I learned a long time ago to just do what I want for personal use, especially if it is from something that I paid money for, and not say anything about it on this forum because these are they types of answers you will always get. Some things you just can't share, unfortunately. I hope you good luck with your project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunster
    I have to disagree. You will be violating the copyright by creating your own image of someone else's print. You are copying his work! If you were just painting the paint-by-the-numbers, which was presumably authorized by the copyright holder, you would not be violating copyright.

    Now, will you be "caught"? Made to compensate? Probably not. But it is still copying, and that is what copyright protects against. The issue of whether it's for personal use or for profit does not change the fact that you are making an unauthorized copy of someone else's original work.
    I'm glad you made this point, Dunster.

    I occasionally get questions from customers asking what they may or may not do with the fabric they purchased... and, being just a retailer, obviously I don't hold any copyrights.

    One question I will share here because it illustrates the point you're making. The person wanted to know if they could use fabric to make greeting cards which they would then sell. And the answer is that yes, you can cut up a piece of fabric and use those pieces to create greeting cards. But you cannot photocopy the designs on the fabric to make the cards.

    Cutting up the fabric to incorporate in the cards is akin to painting the paint-by-numbers. Photocopying the fabric would be in violation of the copyright.

    I hope I was able to explain it in a way that can be easily understood!

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