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chuckbere15 06-27-2012 01:13 AM

Island Batik
 
Over a year ago, I bought two fat quarter bundles. The line was Ocean Breeze - Island Batik - from a local quilt shop when she visited our guild and did a trunk show. I fell in love with the colors and just had to have them. I also purchased a pattern that was fat quarter friendly and this pattern was published by the store owner. A win/win situation - supporting a LQS and local artist. I chose these fabrics to make my hubby a quilt and he's color blind. These batiks were perfect, he would be able to see the colors.

Two days ago I opened the pattern and read it completely. I then proceeded to open one of the bundles and started to organize which colors I would be using. Between the two bundles I purchased I could make three quilts as published, or in my case two bigger quilts as I tend to make more queen/king size quilts versus lap. I would have to purchase additional fabric for the setting triangles, backing, and binding.

When I unfolded the fat quarters I noticed that the edges looked like they were cut by scissors by second graders. I proceeded with preparing and cutting the fabric. After cutting the first six of the quarters, I decided to put a ruler to the second batch of six, I need eighteen for this project as the pattern was published. I was flabbergasted at what the ruler was telling me. On the "best" quarter I measured 17 1/2 X 21 inches. I do understand that a fat quarter is a half of a half yard of fabric and if my math is correct that would be 18" X 1/2 of the width of fabric.

Here is what got my goat. I called Island Batik and explained that these fat quarters were improperly cut and I lost on average an inch on two sides to square the up. There customer service representative took my name and number and stated she would call me back as this line is discontinued and she would have to check to see what they could substitute.

She returned my call stating that I needed to return the bundles to where I purchased them for a refund and the store owner would then have to return the merchandise. I explained that I don't have my receipt and it was over a year ago, but I would try.

I went to their website and reviewed their return policy. Their policy states returns accepted within 30 days with receipt, shipping cost are the customer's responsibility, and there would be a restocking fee. All these terms are backed by their 100% customer satisfaction guarantee.

I will take the fat quarters back to the store and explain to Carolyn the circumstances and show her the poor product. I don't think that it's fair to Carolyn or myself to eat any more cost involved with their inferior product. Not to mention the delay in working on this project. And the cost of fuel as this store is forty miles from my home.

I have learned some valuable lessons with this purchase of a fat quarter bundles plus a previous purchase of a jelly roll, different manufacture and LQS. First, don't buy them unless you can inspect each and every piece for quality. Second, don't buy from a company that will not stand behind their products. And lastly, we as quilters, the consumers should take a stand and refuse to purchase these precuts until the manufactures can get it right.

Food for thought, have you ever wonder why jelly rolls, charm squares and layer cakes all have been cust with pinking sheers? In the past they have not. And yes it helps with raveling, but it also hides poor quality. Also, there needs to be standard sizes. For example a yard is 36", a charm square is 5" square, a layer cake is 10" square, a fat quarter should be 18" X 22", etc. If the manufactors wants to offer a variety of choices more power to them, but they need to be standard sizes. Close only counts in horseshoes.

And for the record, I'm not looking for free fabric, just what I paid for in the first place.

ArtsyOne 06-27-2012 03:11 AM

I think that your inability to return the short-cut fabric happens to a lot of us, as we purchase fabric far in advance of ever using it and don't think to open up the pre-cuts until we actually get around to using them. I feel bad for you and hope that you find some coordinating fabrics that you can use to make the pattern you've chosen.

Lori S 06-27-2012 05:11 AM

What a lesson learned the hardest way. I feel for your issues... The short cuts, the response from the company that was responsible for the cutting... and the lack of understanding by them that driving 40 miles each way to make a return just adds to the burn! I also feel for the LQS .. poor products impact future sales , they stocked the item on good faith that they were indeed as represented. Seems like the company that orginally cut and packaged , and sold the goods is the only winner in this scenario. Speak to them in the language they understand ... $$$$...don't purchase their goods.
I do have sympathy for your situation .. finally getting to a project with so much anticipation .. and then this kind of let down.

ghostrider 06-27-2012 05:24 AM

If the FQs were cut by the manufacturer and not the LQS, chances are they were cut by hand in Indonesia where the batiks were produced. I'm just guessing, but I'd bet Island Batiks has no laser cutters available to the natives who make their batiks....same as is true for all the other batik maunfactures. It's a fairly well known, and well publicized, fact with no easy solution. To ship the goods back to the US for cutting before packaging would increase costs beyond what you would be willing to pay.

Freckles48 06-27-2012 05:49 AM

I bought some Island batiks that were supposed to be 5.5 inches square, i believe. They averaged anywhere from 4.25 to 5.8. Poorest cutting I ever saw. Would never buy from them again.

NanaCsews2 06-27-2012 06:08 AM

I think you have some very valid points. I prefer buying yardage and cutting it into fat quarters myself. I have said it on more than one occasion nothing irks me more than to go into a store, ask for yardage, only to go home and measure it myself and find it short. And cut at an angle. It would be beneficial to everyone to have the fat quarter bundles, charm squares, etc. all standard size as you state. And then, if all fabric departments in every store would use cutting mats, rulers, and rotary cutters-no scissors allowed. We all know that when fabric is shifted even a tad, the whole measurement is off. Most of us have stashes and don't cut into them until we use them, which could be many months later. Would the retailers allow us to return a defective product, especially if the fabric line is no longer available? I have gotten defective product from Ebay sellers too. They also have return restrictions. So it is wise to check those out immediately when received.

susie-susie-susie 06-27-2012 06:55 AM

I could understand that the width of the fabric wasn't 42-44 inches, but a yard is 36 inches everywhere. Having said that, the fat quarters should at least be 18 inches even though the other measurement could be anywhere from 18 inches to 22 inches. It is a good idea to refold the fat quarters as soon as you get them, even if you are just adding to your stash. That's what I do, especially if ordered on line.
Sue

willferg 06-27-2012 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by susie-susie-susie (Post 5320404)
I could understand that the width of the fabric wasn't 42-44 inches, but a yard is 36 inches everywhere.

When I am working with fat quarters, I just assume I'll be working with a 17" width by 20", 21" if I'm lucky. I agree, 36 inches is a yard everywhere, but more often than not, I find fat quarters run short. It's a shame.

Maggiem 06-27-2012 07:03 AM

My experience with Island Batiks has always been excellent: well-cut, beautiful batiks. However, I think they should stand behind their product and take responsibility for the poor quality product you received.

QuiltnLady1 06-27-2012 10:52 AM

When you wash fabric, you have to allow extra for shrinkage. If you don't pre-wash, you should be able to count on having accurate measurements whether it is in factory pre-cuts or what is cut at the LQS -- and I have found that I can't count on any of that. I assume I can get 34"x40" of usable frabric out of 1 yard of fabric. Sometimes I get more and am pleasantly surprised. It is frustrating that the work today is so sloppy.

calla 06-27-2012 11:07 AM

How frustrating, and you offered good information. I trade with a shop in Fenton MI, and her name is Carolyn too........the same? calla

momto5 06-27-2012 05:01 PM

I have tried pre-cuts and strips both at least once...and once, was enough! I haven't done that again in about 2-3 years, nor will I ever. I don't even buy fat quarters anymore because of this very same problem. If there's an error in cutting, I prefer it to be mine...and yep! I DO make some!

chuckbere15 06-27-2012 08:13 PM

Island Batiks did call me back today offering to exchange them. I was at a guild meeting and asked her to call me tomorrow. I guess the email to customer service worked. I'm not sure what I'll do yet, I'm going to call Carolyn in Fenton to see if these measurements will work with her pattern. I do really love the fabric designs and colors. I guess I'm going to sleep on it, sometimes that's the best way to approach a resolution.

Maybe, I'll ask for the lost yardage and save the hassle of returning?

Farm Quilter 06-27-2012 09:44 PM

Love to know how this is resolved! We count on FQs being 18x22 - all the patterns expect them to be. Guess I'll be buying 1/2 yards and making my own FQs.

Debbie C 06-28-2012 04:32 AM

I have been burned so many times in the past that I have just stopped buying pre-cuts from stores completely unless there is a MAJOR reduction in pricing. I now purchase most of my fabrics from yard/garage/estate sales anyway and cut them myself. My financial output has greatly reduced by doing so and I so enjoy the 'thrill of the hunt'. You would not believe how my personal fabric stash has grown in the past year!!

nanacarolyn 06-28-2012 04:45 AM

Amen I got some fabric this week when I got the fabric home it was crooked as a dogs hind leg..I needed it right away for binding I lost a lot of yardage trying to get it right......won't buy there any more

bglock1 06-28-2012 04:46 AM

I've had a similar experience, but with charms. I expected all of them to be 5" square, but when working with the pack (after sewing several together for D9P) that they were actually 5" x 4 3/4". Not that big of a difference but it would be nice to actually have what you pay for!

Scraps 06-28-2012 05:59 AM

hmmm never check anything til I am ready to use it. I tried to return fat quarters to Joanne's one time and the manager would only accept half of the squares for a "return". In small print on their fat quarter labels with the measurements it says "approximate". !! Their fat quarters are wonky for sure. I never buy the pinked pre cuts - seems more difficult to sew for me. Good luck - thanks for sharing!

catmcclure 06-28-2012 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by bglock1 (Post 5322737)
I've had a similar experience, but with charms. I expected all of them to be 5" square, but when working with the pack (after sewing several together for D9P) that they were actually 5" x 4 3/4". Not that big of a difference but it would be nice to actually have what you pay for!

I have a lot of pre-cuts on hand. However, I always figure on 9" square from layer cakes, 4-1/2" square for charms, and the strips can usually be counted on to be at least 2-1/4". I plan any blocks from fat quarters so I have a usable area of 17 x 20.

sahm4605 06-28-2012 06:16 AM

i try to not buy fq's in packs unless i know who was doing the cutting. i have had to get some and found even before starching or anything, just unfolded from the pack that they were off really bad. I don't like to buy precuts for this reason.

Toni C 06-28-2012 07:23 AM

I'm sorry but I don't understand why some are accepting being cheated for their money. Have you noticed nobody has mentioned that their charm packs were 5 1/2 by 5 1/4 ? I seem to see a reoccurring trend. If every pack it 'shorted' they have a 'free' yard to sell after a while. If it didn't make a difference then they should put on their labels 4 1/2x 4 1/2.IMHO

qwkslver 06-28-2012 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by chuckbere15 (Post 5319755)
Over a year ago, I bought two fat quarter bundles. The line was Ocean Breeze - Island Batik - from a local quilt shop when she visited our guild and did a trunk show. I fell in love with the colors and just had to have them. I also purchased a pattern that was fat quarter friendly and this pattern was published by the store owner. A win/win situation - supporting a LQS and local artist. I chose these fabrics to make my hubby a quilt and he's color blind. These batiks were perfect, he would be able to see the colors.

Two days ago I opened the pattern and read it completely. I then proceeded to open one of the bundles and started to organize which colors I would be using. Between the two bundles I purchased I could make three quilts as published, or in my case two bigger quilts as I tend to make more queen/king size quilts versus lap. I would have to purchase additional fabric for the setting triangles, backing, and binding.

When I unfolded the fat quarters I noticed that the edges looked like they were cut by scissors by second graders. I proceeded with preparing and cutting the fabric. After cutting the first six of the quarters, I decided to put a ruler to the second batch of six, I need eighteen for this project as the pattern was published. I was flabbergasted at what the ruler was telling me. On the "best" quarter I measured 17 1/2 X 21 inches. I do understand that a fat quarter is a half of a half yard of fabric and if my math is correct that would be 18" X 1/2 of the width of fabric.

Here is what got my goat. I called Island Batik and explained that these fat quarters were improperly cut and I lost on average an inch on two sides to square the up. There customer service representative took my name and number and stated she would call me back as this line is discontinued and she would have to check to see what they could substitute.

She returned my call stating that I needed to return the bundles to where I purchased them for a refund and the store owner would then have to return the merchandise. I explained that I don't have my receipt and it was over a year ago, but I would try.

I went to their website and reviewed their return policy. Their policy states returns accepted within 30 days with receipt, shipping cost are the customer's responsibility, and there would be a restocking fee. All these terms are backed by their 100% customer satisfaction guarantee.

I will take the fat quarters back to the store and explain to Carolyn the circumstances and show her the poor product. I don't think that it's fair to Carolyn or myself to eat any more cost involved with their inferior product. Not to mention the delay in working on this project. And the cost of fuel as this store is forty miles from my home.

I have learned some valuable lessons with this purchase of a fat quarter bundles plus a previous purchase of a jelly roll, different manufacture and LQS. First, don't buy them unless you can inspect each and every piece for quality. Second, don't buy from a company that will not stand behind their products. And lastly, we as quilters, the consumers should take a stand and refuse to purchase these precuts until the manufactures can get it right.

Food for thought, have you ever wonder why jelly rolls, charm squares and layer cakes all have been cust with pinking sheers? In the past they have not. And yes it helps with raveling, but it also hides poor quality. Also, there needs to be standard sizes. For example a yard is 36", a charm square is 5" square, a layer cake is 10" square, a fat quarter should be 18" X 22", etc. If the manufactors wants to offer a variety of choices more power to them, but they need to be standard sizes. Close only counts in horseshoes.

And for the record, I'm not looking for free fabric, just what I paid for in the first place.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I guess no one said quilting wouldn't be frustrating at times. I actually recently bought a kit that I wanted a lot and then a week later bought it again because I was going to use it a little differently than the stated pattern (several small wall hangings instead of one big one) and I feared being short on fabric. I figured better too much than not enough. I realize you can't always afford to buy extra of that treasured fabric but I do when possible. Could you add a couple of complementing batiks to stretch out and cover your shortage? I know it isn't a great suggestion but maybe it would help make matters better instead of worse. Again, so sorry.

chuckbere15 06-28-2012 02:28 PM

Just a quick note to keep everyone informed. I called the shop where I purchased them, and spoke with an associate as the owner was not in today. I informed her what was going on and that I plan on bringing the fat quarters into the shop for them to see so that they can make informed decisions when purchasing fabric for our consumption. Also, Island Batik called me back today and I told them that I would not rather return the fabric as I love the colors and the quality of the fabric and that it is not the fault of the store owner or their responsibility to make it right. And I just wanted what I paid for, nothing more. She is going to mail me a yard or two of fabric to make up for the missing fabric.

katesnanna 06-28-2012 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by bglock1 (Post 5322737)
I've had a similar experience, but with charms. I expected all of them to be 5" square, but when working with the pack (after sewing several together for D9P) that they were actually 5" x 4 3/4". Not that big of a difference but it would be nice to actually have what you pay for!

Big difference over the whole quilt and dishonest of the manufacturer. Just my 2 cents worth.

katesnanna 06-28-2012 04:34 PM

When I buy fabric, be it from a store, over the internet or from ebay I always check it for any faults then measure it. That way I know what I have even if I don't use it for several years, and yes if its short I let the vendor know and expect them to compensate me. Even if it's only $2.00. I expect to get what I've paid for. I got caught when I was quite new to quilting, fortunately it was only a $10.00 buy but it taught me to check before it went into my stash.

Steady Stiching 06-29-2012 05:20 AM

I'm sorry you are in this pickle!
Be warned everyone....the width of fabric is shrinking, fat quarters will shrink too. shave a little here...shave a little there....sad but true.

anita211 06-29-2012 06:30 AM

I find this appalling! And for the new quilter wondering how much fabric to buy, this puts a whole new slant on what you want to keep on hand. I don't know about all of you, but I don't have an area reserved for receipts. I would be over run with paper. And I really only have a couple of drawers. I prefer to use those drawers for something other than receipts. And if you bought it over a year ago, how many places are going to let you return it?

I mentioned the lack of quality control at my LQS. She said that she has heard that, but because she pretty much sticks with Moda. And I can attest to the shops cutting of fat quarters. They even cut a fat quarter, even if they have to make it for you. I think that if we avoid purchasing or return that which we are not happy with, the fabric companies might sit up and take notice. I just heard that consumer spending in the US was down last month. I guess I am going to iron my stash and start cutting that up.

TexasGurl 06-29-2012 06:43 AM

I guess I've been lucky with precuts, I buy mostly Moda and a few other major manuf. I haven't had a problem yet !
IMO I don't think the pinked edges are hiding poor quality. Moda has a very fine pinked edge, I'd much rather have that than lots of raveling !
Agree that FQ are all over the place, fabric widths vary - but a FQ should NEVER be less than 18" ! A yard of fabric is 36" ... period !!

psailer 06-29-2012 07:17 AM

wow thanks for sharing ... i never check til later either but so far been lucky... smile

NYquilter52 06-29-2012 07:30 AM

I work in a local quilt shop that sells alot of kits for purses, wall hanging, quilts and such. A couple weeks ago I was cutting 6 yard pieces for one of the block of the month classes. We expected to get 5 6 yard pieces out of 2 bolts, by using the leftover 3 yard pieces for the 5th cut. After cutting the first 2 pieces, the last pieces were between 1/8 and 1/2 yard short. The shop owners are being shorted on every bolt they but. I don't know if there is a solution but it forces the owners to buy extra bolts to cover the shortages.

Tweety2911 06-29-2012 08:01 AM

I would contact a supervisor or go up highter up the chain to get the issue resolved. it's worth a try anyway. Hopefully all ends well!

Doreen 06-29-2012 08:29 AM

I think I will not buy precuts!

LoveQuilten 06-29-2012 09:45 AM

I bought some fabric at Connecting Threads and in 1/2 yds. cut. I needed two fat quarters of each. Some of the material was cut short and I only had enough for one fat quarter. I called Connecting Threads and they immed. sent me replacement fabric. I asked if they wanted the other back and she said destroy it. Yah. Sure I will. I will buy from them again because they back up there customer service policys.

Violet Rose 06-30-2012 07:20 AM

My very first quilting teacher told us, instead of buying a fat quarter, buy a third of a yard of fabric. It only cost a few cents more and you have a few more inches of fabric to work with. Pre-cuts are tempting, but I just don't buy them for the very reasons that everyone has talked about here.

MimiBug123 06-30-2012 09:07 PM

They probably do have children cutting fabric! Who knows where the batiks come from. I usually just by fabric by the yard and cut it myself. That way, if the squares or strips are different sizes (and they sometimes are) I can't blame anyone but me!

Maggiem 06-30-2012 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by MimiBug123 (Post 5329911)
They probably do have children cutting fabric! Who knows where the batiks come from.

Even said in jest, that is a very unfair kind of statement to make. It can start nasty rumours and cause damage to a decent company's reputation for no reason whatsoever.

Island Batiks are made in Bali, Indonesia, and the company is located in California. They have a website. Here are two quotes from their 'about us' page:

"Island Batik currently employs 80 to 100 community members who transform the white base cloth into the spectacular designs and colors for which Island Batik is known. All of the fabric dyeing is done in our own manufacturing facility in Bali, which is centered in a small village. Men and women of the community perform the management of the plant, as well as all of the production processes. Men perform the stamping of wax onto the fabric, dyeing, washing and drying. The fabric is left out in the rice fields, where good sunlight is essential to ensure strong color and color fastness. The women are in charge of quality assurance, folding, bolting and packaging of the cloth.
The cotton and rayon batik is rolled by hand onto cardboard bolts, which are manufactured by families in the surrounding district. Originally, the fabric boards made in Los Angeles were sent to Bali, which was an expensive process. Community members were included in discussions to develop a new fabric board utilizing local raw materials. The talented craftsmen rose to the challenge and within a few days presented an acceptable prototype, which is now a new industry in the village. Island Batik is now producing only 100% recyclable bolt boards!"

and

"The philosophy of Island Batik has always been to ensure the success, enrichment and development of the community to which it belongs. This is accomplished is by offering computer skills training, donating to neighborhood functions and village ceremonies as well as sponsoring the Island Batik community volleyball team. These efforts result in a constant uplifting of the people who partner with Island Batik in production. Because of the large group of artisans and workers employment many people have been able to buy land build new homes, send children to school and college as well as improve the community environment for the benefit of all."

I am sorry to say that although there may be problems with a purchase, it isn't a reason to make blanket value judgements on the whole company and its working methods. I don't want to offend anyone, but this upsets me quite a bit.

ghostrider 07-01-2012 03:32 AM

Excellent post. Maggie. Well said! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen078.gif

chuckbere15 07-08-2012 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by chuckbere15 (Post 5324186)
Just a quick note to keep everyone informed. I called the shop where I purchased them, and spoke with an associate as the owner was not in today. I informed her what was going on and that I plan on bringing the fat quarters into the shop for them to see so that they can make informed decisions when purchasing fabric for our consumption. Also, Island Batik called me back today and I told them that I would not rather return the fabric as I love the colors and the quality of the fabric and that it is not the fault of the store owner or their responsibility to make it right. And I just wanted what I paid for, nothing more. She is going to mail me a yard or two of fabric to make up for the missing fabric.

I received a package from Island Batiks either Thursday or Friday. I was shocked at the contents, I should say overwhelmed. It contained 4 one yard cuts, 9 fat eights bundles with 5 different patterns, and 4 fat quarters bundles with five different patterns. Not only did they make it right, but went above and beyond.

Side note, when I went back to the store and showed the owner, she gave me a pattern for free for dealing with the situation. And I also purchased five yards of another Island Batik for my setting triangles.

AUQuilter 07-09-2012 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by chuckbere15 (Post 5349813)
I received a package from Island Batiks either Thursday or Friday. I was shocked at the contents, I should say overwhelmed. It contained 4 one yard cuts, 9 fat eights bundles with 5 different patterns, and 4 fat quarters bundles with five different patterns. Not only did they make it right, but went above and beyond.

Side note, when I went back to the store and showed the owner, she gave me a pattern for free for dealing with the situation. And I also purchased five yards of another Island Batik for my setting triangles.

I am glad to see this issue has been resolved and that Island Batik went above and beyond. And the LQS and you were winners in the end. I think we all learned a lesson when buying precuts. Thanks for posting the update with Island Batik.

bearisgray 07-10-2012 12:00 PM

As far as inaccurate cutting -

It would seem to me to be an 'easy fix' to provide cutting mats, rulers, and rotary cutters to the workers.

If 'management' wanted to make it super simple, just provide a 'template' that is to be used

The only 'excuse' I can see for very irregular cuts would be if the workers were just 'eyeballing' the cuts instead of using some sort of measuring device.


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