Yes, the price included the frame. Depending on how the frame comes equipped, is going to dictate the price. There as so many if, ands, or buts about the frame that it is best to get what is included down on paper. The dongle for the software costs the dealer $50.00 from what I ascertain. I flat told the woman I talked to at the show over the weekend that, she was crazier than I am if she thought that she would get the dongle. That software cost me $2200 and some change and if she gave me the same then we could talk. I have the mega hoop so I wouldn't be purchasing the big hoop. No the 830 in any form that I'm aware of won't quilt for you, no matter what software you have. You can get and use the laser guide and use designs that you have to trace with the laser but you have to move the machine. There are longarm machines available that you can program to do the quilting but they are anywhere from the mid teens and up, price wise.

Thanks for all your info. I really appreciate the feedback.

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How disappointing...but I did read through and most of them are getting ending up happy...but what a nightmare to have to go through.