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squirtygirl 02-19-2013 10:23 PM

Piecing. What am I doing wrong?
 
I square my blocks up, but when I sew them into rows the seams don't always match up. HELP!!!

Peckish 02-19-2013 11:06 PM

Have you tried nesting your seams? Or pinning?

Knitette 02-19-2013 11:34 PM

When I first started quilting I had the same problem. I (eventually, lol) discovered that as I got to the end of the block I was piecing I let the fabric slip, ever so slightly, to one side and it ended up squint. Then, when I went to put the blocks together, everything would be 'off' just that little bit. Now that I mostly chain piece (and pay more attention to the end of stitching), my blocks are much better.

Also, someone told me, once you've nested your seams, to pin at a 45 degree angle, rather than 90 degree and leave the pin in until the foot is just on it before removing. This has worked for me.

(I don't leave pins in any more - all I'm saying is - I'm glad I wear glasses for close work :eek:)

Good luck!

DebraK 02-19-2013 11:53 PM

I will forever and always love this phrase, " ended up squint"

gigigray032447 02-20-2013 01:07 AM

I'm convinced that good piecers are good pinners. Nine years, and 235 quilts, after I started piecing I still use a lot of pins. One thing to make sure of is that you are sewing a true quarter inch seam. Use an index card and sew along a printed line, without thread, until you know exactly where your quarter inch is on your machine. I've taught three people to piece and this is the step I always start with so they will know where a quarter inch is and so they can practice sewing a straight line.

Nilla 02-20-2013 03:24 AM

Nesting and/or pinning made all the difference for me.

Joset 02-20-2013 05:11 AM

I have had that same problem some time they line up and sometimes not. i always pinned
but that didnt always work. then i read on here some one basting first and wow had very
good results with that.

PaperPrincess 02-20-2013 05:17 AM

I use pins and my seams are actually pretty good, but on the last couple of quilts I've made I have joined the blocks in square or rectangular sections rather than long rows. So like if you have a quilt that is 9 blocks by 9 blocks, I would first join a 3X3 section in the upper left, then the 3 block by 3 block section in the upper right, then lower left & lower right. Doing it this way, you only have to sew one seam that is the whole length of the quilt. I find it much easier to control a shorter seam.
One of the board members (sorry don't remember who) also posted that they add the sashings and cornerstones to the blocks before joining. This also works great.

Hope this makes sense.

Jmillie 02-20-2013 05:17 AM

I am a fairly new quilter. What does the term "nesting" mean!!

Jmillie

PaperPrincess 02-20-2013 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Jmillie (Post 5874687)
I am a fairly new quilter. What does the term "nesting" mean!!

Jmillie

Here's a pretty good video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMFf_lnsr50

It's not always possible to nest them depending on your design, but if you take a minute to think about how your block goes together before you press, it really does help.

azwendyg 02-20-2013 05:27 AM

These are all good suggestions and I have one more. If a particular seam really just won't match up, take it apart and fix it by either making it deeper or less deep depending on what you need. You can also deepen or let out the seam allowance on just one of the blocks instead of both if that is what you need.

FubsyMog 02-20-2013 05:33 AM

I agree with the others' comments about taking time to pin accurately. The first quilt I made though, some of the seams didn't line up AT ALL, despite squaring and trying to pin accurately. Baffled both me and quilt group tutor until I realised what I thought was a 1/4" foot wasn't QUITE 1/4" (cheap machine that a neighbour was getting rid of). The pattern measurements had obviously been calculated to account for seam allowance, so that the pieced blocks would end up the same size as the single fabric blocks, but because of the inaccurate foot, they didn't, so the rows didn't match properly.

rebeljane 02-20-2013 06:17 AM

Nest your seams and put a pin in on either side to hold it in place.

TexasSunshine 02-20-2013 06:44 AM

That is a very good video, thanks PaperPrincess.

Anita in DE 02-20-2013 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by squirtygirl (Post 5874350)
I square my blocks up, but when I sew them into rows the seams don't always match up. HELP!!!

I have always been a "pinner". But the main thing I have found is to press everything. Make a little cheat sheet of your block with little arrows telling you which way the seams should be pressed. Then when you have to put the rows together all the pressing is the same for each block to nest together. Then all the rows will have their own pressing order so their seams will nest together. Hope this helps a bit. Just keep at it, you'll get there!!

Milli 02-20-2013 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Knitette (Post 5874445)
When I first started quilting I had the same problem. I (eventually, lol) discovered that as I got to the end of the block I was piecing I let the fabric slip, ever so slightly, to one side and it ended up squint. Then, when I went to put the blocks together, everything would be 'off' just that little bit. Now that I mostly chain piece (and pay more attention to the end of stitching), my blocks are much better.

Also, someone told me, once you've nested your seams, to pin at a 45 degree angle, rather than 90 degree and leave the pin in until the foot is just on it before removing. This has worked for me.

(I don't leave pins in any more - all I'm saying is - I'm glad I wear glasses for close work :eek:)

Good luck!

Love squint would that be the same as squish (crooked).

mike'sgirl 02-20-2013 07:18 AM

I would recommend to beginner quilters to watch Eleanor Burns and/or buy her books. She is a wonderful teacher and has a really good method of quilting that makes things go faster and easier.
Heres a tip for sewing two patches together that I learned from Liz Porter when she made an appearance on the F&P show recently: Align your patches and make sure that the seam allowance on the back of the patch is going up toward the needle instead of down toward you. The feed dogs will push the seams together and your seams will match every time. Just make sure you have them together before sewing and let the machine do the rest. Works every time for me. I hope that makes sense. You might just have to make a sample 4-patch to see what I mean. Gina

KalamaQuilts 02-20-2013 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by squirtygirl (Post 5874350)
I square my blocks up, but when I sew them into rows the seams don't always match up. HELP!!!

the problem is probably already in your own words "I square up my blocks"
If they need squaring up there are several solutions.

The fabric needs to be pressed flat before cutting (I also starch as I fall in the prewashers camp)

Cutting has to be consistently correct. An inch is an inch is an inch, BUT different brand rulers have different sized lines on them. Do you consistently cut on the line, short of the line, over the line? Even a 1/16 off will add up when you put 30 or 40 or 90 blocks together.

And piecing...You have to know where the scant quarter falls using the foot you use.

the easiest way to do this is making sample 9 patches using 1.5" strips plus the steps above.
Often the first three strips sewn together measure correctly across when pressed...
but once cut and reassembled in the 9 patch the block will suddenly comes up short of true. Because those crossing seams eat up a bit of fabric behind your back :) Keep making them until it all falls right.
I have a quart baggie full of these 9 patches, they remind me no one knows everything...

I promise you, if you revisit your basics (including the squint advice above) you'll never have to waste time squaring up blocks again. And I never pin until I have the long assembly seams to do.
Best wishes and happy quilting!

nativetexan 02-20-2013 07:54 AM

when squaring blocks up you must trim them all exactly the same way, otherwise any pieced seams could be off. always use your 45 degree line on your ruler and place it the same on each block as you trim.

grammy Dwynn 02-20-2013 08:08 AM

IMHO ~ cutting, accurate 1/4" seams, pressing, check piecing as you go and pinning ~ when final block is competed, one should not (hopefully) not have to square up the block. One or ALL could mess up a block.

Traditional Quilter 02-20-2013 08:31 AM

I agree with Kalamaquilts. If seam allowances are accurate and are pressed without wrinkles, you shouldn't have to square up your block. Before starting any quilting project, I do a seam test as she described. Then throughout the piecing process I measure finished pieces to make sure I'm still sewing accurately. Should I have a problem then I can correct it before I get too far along. If you do this, your seams should nest together perfectly without a lot of pinning. However, that doesn't help you with your current dilemma. So, I suggest pin your seams as some of the other ladies suggested. It may be that since you have squared your block the seams may not match up at all. Wishing you good luck and happy quilting. I might suggest Harriet Hargrave's "Quilters Academy" books. They explain the fundamentals of piecing. She has published four books so far. The first one dealing with basic piecing of squares and rectangles and each dealing with progessively difficult piecing techniques, I had always preferred applique because I could never get my piecing to go together well (same as you are experiencing now), but since I bought and followed her techniques I can now piece with confidence, and it is so exciting to get your seams to match up without stress.

QM 02-20-2013 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Knitette (Post 5874445)
When I first started quilting I had the same problem. I (eventually, lol) discovered that as I got to the end of the block I was piecing I let the fabric slip, ever so slightly, to one side and it ended up squint. Then, when I went to put the blocks together, everything would be 'off' just that little bit. Now that I mostly chain piece (and pay more attention to the end of stitching), my blocks are much better.

Also, someone told me, once you've nested your seams, to pin at a 45 degree angle, rather than 90 degree and leave the pin in until the foot is just on it before removing. This has worked for me.

(I don't leave pins in any more - all I'm saying is - I'm glad I wear glasses for close work :eek:)

Good luck!

this is my experience too. Also, in joining at cross seams, I make sure the top seam allowance reaches the needle before the cross seam, even if I need to clip the allowance to have it end up "to the dark". At a guild mass sewing event, I found that about 1/2 of my much more experienced guild sisters had troubles with ross seams.

Prism99 02-20-2013 09:36 AM

Try glue basting at the ironing board before you take your pieces to the sewing machine. First step is to push a straight pin down into the seams that need to match, right at the seam allowance. Once you are sure the pin is positioned so that the seams match, lift up the seam allowance on the top one and insert a tiny dot of Elmer's washable school glue (white). Close the seam and press for a few seconds with a hot iron. Remove the pin.

I find glue basting more accurate than pinning.

squirtygirl 02-20-2013 04:20 PM

Thankyou so much ladies for all of your experiance suggestions. I can't wait to try these on my next quilt. It is a horrible feeling after all that hard work for the seams not to match up. I learn something new everyday. God bless

audsgirl 02-20-2013 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Knitette (Post 5874445)
When I first started quilting I had the same problem. I (eventually, lol) discovered that as I got to the end of the block I was piecing I let the fabric slip, ever so slightly, to one side and it ended up squint. Then, when I went to put the blocks together, everything would be 'off' just that little bit. Now that I mostly chain piece (and pay more attention to the end of stitching), my blocks are much better.



Also, someone told me, once you've nested your seams, to pin at a 45 degree angle, rather than 90 degree and leave the pin in until the foot is just on it before removing. This has worked for me.

(I don't leave pins in any more - all I'm saying is - I'm glad I wear glasses for close work :eek:)

Good luck!

This is also what I was experiencing. I found that when I was getting close to the end of the seam, I put my finger up next to the foot until the seam finished. It seems to keep the fabric in place better. I, too, love the phrase "it ended up squint."

jcrow 02-20-2013 06:35 PM

Guidelines 4 Quilting has a Prep-Tool that gives you an accurate 'scant' 1/4" seam. They also sell 'Seam Guides that stick to your sewing machine for that 'scant' 1/4" seam. They don't leave sticky residue and can be reused.

MamaHen 02-21-2013 04:27 AM

Another thing I have noticed while piecing blocks is that if one of the fabrics is lesser quality than the other one, while sewing, even though the ends match prior to, your machine foot is pushing the top fabric toward you and your pieces will not end up even at the end. Always being off a smidge. This will make matching seams up even more difficult. This just shows me that not all fabric is created equal. I already knew that but it proved it even more to me. I had never noticed it before.

happyquiltmom 02-21-2013 04:42 AM

All good advise given here...one more tip:

I use a corsage pin (thinner than a stiletto) to guide the fabric through my machine. It works really well at seam intersections, to get them to lie flat as they feed through the machine. And, it keeps the fabric feeding through evenly when you are coming to the end.

Knitette 02-21-2013 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Milli (Post 5874965)
Love squint would that be the same as squish (crooked).

Lol! We use that expression all the time - "Do you think my border is squint?" i.e. 'not straight'.

It can also mean 'look', e.g. " Have a squint at that and tell me if it's OK."

tootsie00 02-21-2013 05:43 AM

As a new quilter myself, I have had the same troubles. There are several suggestions her that work very well. I pre-wash and dry all my fabrics before starting, iron and starch them. I find that the starch helps keep the fabric from stretching when I cut it. Also, use the same ruler when cutting all your fabric for one project. As someone else here said, the lines may be slightly off from one maker to another. Next is to triple check your cut lines before cutting. I have rushed a project and sloppy cuts make for a poor outcome. Iron all seams, and yes, take the time to see how the seams will fall in your project. I pin everything, and make sure my intersections don't shift when I'm sewing them together. Also, if you have a little give in the length of one fabric over another, sew with the longer fabric on the bottom. The feed dogs on the machine should take up some of that give when you sew. I agree that you should learn where your 1/4" seem falls on your machine. Use painters tape to mark it on your machine, and that will help keep your place. This craft has a learning curve with it, but I love it. I also love this forum. I have learned so much just by reading what others have to say.

quiltmom04 02-21-2013 05:56 AM

Be sure to use the same ruler when you cut your fabric, and always line it up the same place on the line . My ruler has a yellow line and I have to line the fabric up at the same place ( i generally have it more to the right side of the line, especially with small pieces, or that little bit off compounds itself as you work. Remember that the width of the fabric has some stretch ( not as much as bias , but more than the length), so you might be pulling your fabric just a little when you sew. And the tiniest little bit off in the first pieces compounds itself as you go along, so be sure to make the first seams match, and correct as you go, not saving any correction for the end. It always seems to me like when they say that the flap of a butterfly's wings affects weather around the world. Just a little bit off anywhere can affect the accuracy of your piecing throughout the whole piece.

Marge611 02-21-2013 05:56 AM

The index card method is such a good idea. I started sewing that way years ago too and it works.

bigsister63 02-21-2013 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by mike'sgirl (Post 5874993)
I would recommend to beginner quilters to watch Eleanor Burns and/or buy her books. She is a wonderful teacher and has a really good method of quilting that makes things go faster and easier.
Heres a tip for sewing two patches together that I learned from Liz Porter when she made an appearance on the F&P show recently: Align your patches and make sure that the seam allowance on the back of the patch is going up toward the needle instead of down toward you. The feed dogs will push the seams together and your seams will match every time. Just make sure you have them together before sewing and let the machine do the rest. Works every time for me. I hope that makes sense. You might just have to make a sample 4-patch to see what I mean. Gina

Actually I was taught the opposite.Have your top seam facing up and the bottom facing down so the top seam will be pushed to nestle in the bottom seam. Also I have found it really helps to press you seams closed berfore pressing to one side (yes I press to one side not open). This seams to make for a flatter seam and easier to match up. Also When pinning the seams together DO NOT put a pin directly on the seam . Match the seam and then pin on either side of it. Pinning directy on the seam will actually make the seam crooked.
Also remenber There is not one right way of doing things. No quilt police here. Also we are our own worst critics!!!

Snooze2978 02-21-2013 06:16 AM

I have the same problems with my seams not matching. I read somewhere to use the elmers glue method. Just a little dot of glue at the seam, no pins but at the beginning and end. My seams are so much better now. Sure, its an extra step but I usually have my iron on anyway and it works for me.

Suz in Iowa

dray965 02-21-2013 06:55 AM

I had the 'too long' problem when I was adding a border to my great granddaughter's quilt. It was a border so I just started stitching and it wound up waaaayyy too long. Ripped out the stitches...pinned it and it was the perfect length....so...pinning...that's the lesson I learned.

Morag 02-21-2013 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Knitette (Post 5874445)
When I first started quilting I had the same problem. I (eventually, lol) discovered that as I got to the end of the block I was piecing I let the fabric slip, ever so slightly, to one side and it ended up squint. Then, when I went to put the blocks together, everything would be 'off' just that little bit. Now that I mostly chain piece (and pay more attention to the end of stitching), my blocks are much better.

Also, someone told me, once you've nested your seams, to pin at a 45 degree angle, rather than 90 degree and leave the pin in until the foot is just on it before removing. This has worked for me.

(I don't leave pins in any more - all I'm saying is - I'm glad I wear glasses for close work :eek:)

Good luck!

Squint.....spoken like a true Scotsman LOL ... Dundee's my home:)

OKLAHOMA PEACH 02-21-2013 07:28 AM

I have also heard that the bottom piece should barely show past the top piece you are sewing.

solstice3 02-21-2013 07:29 AM

If pinning doesn't work I baiste

pollyjvan9 02-21-2013 08:14 AM

Once I got in the habit of setting my needle at the same number and using the outside edge of the presser foot for a guide I was much more consistent in my seam width. I usually sew a 'scant' 1/4" and as long as I stay at that width I come out okay. One of the things I try to remember is whatever width seam you start with - finish with. Also, your pressing can be a problem, not getting seams flat, or stretching or whatever. I use a lot of starch and try to remember to PRESS, not IRON, before trimming my blocks.

linda faye 02-21-2013 08:20 AM

I have recently purchased a quarter inch pressure foot. This has worked wonders in helping me to match seams (still nest, pin etc) and my blocks come out to the size they are supposed to be ..... IF I cut accurately to being with. :)

I also use Washable Elmer's Glue to match up seams if it is a stubborn seam. This allows you to glue, press to set, and open up to see if it matches. It can be repositioned if necessary.

I have recently started sewing just over the seam to make sure it matches before sewing the entire seam. Saves time in rippin' if it doesn't match.


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