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Technically S (stitch) I (in the) D (ditch) is just that - a stitch that is almost invisible just off the fold of the seam between two blocks or pieces in the block. In quilts being judged, the judge will look at the precision of the stitch such as the evenness and invisibiity with thread that matches the base. Stitching on the fold can be done but technically it is not in the ditch, neither is quilting 1/8" or 1/4" away from the seam. The stitch can be done on the fold but should be carefully aligned and not weave on and off the edge of the fold. A quilter can quilt any of these three methods but should remember the stitch can contribute to the overall design and if wobbly can detract. There have been some statements made indicating one can't keep the stitch either in the ditch or straight. Probably the best advice for correcting this is to slow down and keep control of the piece being quilted. I find that when I go fast then the stitch appears to have a mind of it's own and goes where I don't want it to go.
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No Quilt Police here do what is better for you
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I'm a hand quilter and I sometimes stitch in the shadow (1/4" from seam).
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Originally Posted by sparkys_mom
Originally Posted by Lisa_wanna_b_quilter
As far as I'm concerned, SID sounds easy but is not. I'm with MadQuilter. I meander around the seam.
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There is a stitch-in-the-ditch foot for my Pfaff Creative Vision. It has a guide that you keep in the groove of the seam and it stitches right in the ditch, perfectly. And being as the Pfaff has the built in walking foot, it works great. Some other machines might have these feet, too.
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One of the famous quilting experts who was on Sewing with Nancy, can't remember which one, says she uses a small zig zag stitch so that she catches both sides of the ditch. I've tried that and I like it. I've also used one of the decorative stitches on my machine, set for a wide stitch to sitd. I like that way too. I just bought a sitd foot but i haven't used it yet. Not sure how that would work since you wouldn't be using a walking foot. Anybody have experience with this foot and your backing "creeping?"
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Originally Posted by sparkys_mom
Originally Posted by mzzzquilts
I liked the idea somebody had of using the zig-zag stitch to "stitch in the ditch"...then you're on both sides...just drive it down the middle :)
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Why don't you try a zig zag stitch over the seam? That's what I did when I started because no mistakes will show and you can just follow the seam and not have to worry about it not showing where it shouldn't. Very easy for beginners!
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Originally Posted by EmsMom
Thanks Everyone! Madquilter -- too funny!
I hope I haven't bitten off more than I can chew since I am newer than new at this. Maybe I will investigate some other methods of quilting my first "real" quilt.... |
Originally Posted by MellieKQuilter
Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol)
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Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When you press the seam allowance to one side, there is a "low" side to the seam and a "high" side. Gently pull the seam apart and SID along the high side ON the low side right where the ridge is. When you let go of the seam, the SID will literally disappear into the seam.
When the seam allowance flips, you can gently move the seam over by a notch so the needle will land on the low side again. THat said, I have done some work where I sewed ON THE HIGH SIDE sort of like a topstitch. It is personal preference. When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol) |
Originally Posted by Mgrubbs
what does QAYG stand for?
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Recently, someone mentioned a stitch in the ditch foot for the Bernina walking foot. Yesterday, I purchased one and can't wait to try it out. I love to stitch in the ditch; but have to finish the FMQ on this quilt before I can try out my new presser foot. Hope you'll soon learn to love stitching in the ditch as much as I do. Now if I could just learn to love FMQ...
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:lol: :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When you press the seam allowance to one side, there is a "low" side to the seam and a "high" side. Gently pull the seam apart and SID along the high side ON the low side right where the ridge is. When you let go of the seam, the SID will literally disappear into the seam.
When the seam allowance flips, you can gently move the seam over by a notch so the needle will land on the low side again. THat said, I have done some work where I sewed ON THE HIGH SIDE sort of like a topstitch. It is personal preference. When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol) |
If you press all of your seam allowences to the side (as opposed to open) you will technically be stitching a hair to the side of the seam. This is the best way, because you will be stitching on fabric. If you press your seams open and stitch on the seam, you will be stitching on stiching, which is not as strong as the fabric.
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Originally Posted by EmsMom
Thanks Everyone! Madquilter -- too funny!
I hope I haven't bitten off more than I can chew since I am newer than new at this. Maybe I will investigate some other methods of quilting my first "real" quilt.... if I can. For the give aways (most of mine are) it doesn't matter, they are made for warmth and softness. For a prize winner quilt, well I haven't mastered that one yet. ;) |
I have read if you go beyond the ditch it is easier to sew, the weight of the quilt seams. practice to see what you prefer.
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Originally Posted by Lisa_wanna_b_quilter
As far as I'm concerned, SID sounds easy but is not. I'm with MadQuilter. I meander around the seam.
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Interesting response to that question... I have wondered that many times myself, thanks for all your input...
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Great information from all. Thank you!
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If it's for a rag quilt...that I would do right next to the seam. The SID on pieced quilts, as others have mentioned...is put into the seam, as your seam allowance is pressed to one side, causing one side of the seam to be higher than the other. If I were to press the seams open (like in clothing construction...I'd choose to SID beside the seam, as stitching in the seam may break threads in the stitched seam.
Marge C
Originally Posted by EmsMom
I have checked out some info online re: using the stitch in the ditch method of quilting for a D9P. (I have only made one rag quilt so far, so please excuse my ignorance).
I have read that SID is directly on the seam and I have read that SID is "next" to not on the seam??? So now I am confused LOL Is it just a matter of preference? Thanks for the clarification! |
Originally Posted by karenpatrick
One of the famous quilting experts who was on Sewing with Nancy, can't remember which one, says she uses a small zig zag stitch so that she catches both sides of the ditch. I've tried that and I like it. I've also used one of the decorative stitches on my machine, set for a wide stitch to sitd. I like that way too. I just bought a sitd foot but i haven't used it yet. Not sure how that would work since you wouldn't be using a walking foot. Anybody have experience with this foot and your backing "creeping?"
I've also used blue tape when I quilt straight lines of any type -- following the edge is much easier on my eyes and disposition. I stitch next to the ditch on the "low" side because I got into the habit when I only did hand quilting. The biggest thing about quilting is enjoying it. Don't get too stressed out about the 'quilt patrol' unless they'll be receiving the quilt! |
IN the ditch means just that - IN THE SEAM, RIGHT OVER THE SEAM'S STITCHES. My answer is from several quilt judges over the course of several years' worth of shows.
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Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When you press the seam allowance to one side, there is a "low" side to the seam and a "high" side. Gently pull the seam apart and SID along the high side ON the low side right where the ridge is. When you let go of the seam, the SID will literally disappear into the seam.
When the seam allowance flips, you can gently move the seam over by a notch so the needle will land on the low side again. THat said, I have done some work where I sewed ON THE HIGH SIDE sort of like a topstitch. It is personal preference. When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol) |
I have also heard that using your sepentine stitch (if you machine has one) along the ditch looks nice.
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Originally Posted by mzzzquilts
I liked the idea somebody had of using the zig-zag stitch to "stitch in the ditch"...then you're on both sides...just drive it down the middle :)
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SID is one of my preferred machine quilting stitch - along side cross hatching. I really never thought about quilting on the seam, beside the seam, etc. However, having watched Georgia Bonesteel on cable, she uses a narrow zig-zag stitch when she does SID. So, if it's good enough for her, it's good enough for the rest of us, as she's a nationally known quilter, although she usually hand quilts everything. Take your pick with the options and remember - THERE ARE NO QUILT POLICE, only other quilters who will oooh and aaah over your beautiful quilt.
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I just finished my first quilt class teacher said, zig-zag
small stich and use invisable thread works great. |
Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When you press the seam allowance to one side, there is a "low" side to the seam and a "high" side. Gently pull the seam apart and SID along the high side ON the low side right where the ridge is. When you let go of the seam, the SID will literally disappear into the seam.
When the seam allowance flips, you can gently move the seam over by a notch so the needle will land on the low side again. THat said, I have done some work where I sewed ON THE HIGH SIDE sort of like a topstitch. It is personal preference. When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol) |
One of the ladies at my LQS told me she meanders when she SID and that way if she makes a mistake and slips outside of the seam it is intentional. Hey it works for me.
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IMHO I feel Stitch in the Ditch should be in the ditch, not on top of it. I place my stitches right next to the seam on the side with 2 layers of fabric. This creates a nice shadowed effect to the quilting. If I stitch on top of the ditch, I'm going thru 4 layers of fabric and seam allowances, and it gets all flattened.
Whatever you do though, I think it looks better if you stick to one side or the other so that it looks the same. To my eye it looks sloppy when the stitches switch around from IN the ditch to the TOP of the ditch. IMHO of course :-) |
Originally Posted by BettyGee
Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When you press the seam allowance to one side, there is a "low" side to the seam and a "high" side. Gently pull the seam apart and SID along the high side ON the low side right where the ridge is. When you let go of the seam, the SID will literally disappear into the seam.
When the seam allowance flips, you can gently move the seam over by a notch so the needle will land on the low side again. THat said, I have done some work where I sewed ON THE HIGH SIDE sort of like a topstitch. It is personal preference. When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol) |
I love SID because it accents the piecing!! However it is hard on the machine. I still try very hard to stay on the low side.:) I was so stupid that when I first started piecing I would hand quilt on top of the ditch. We are always learning!! I've been hand quilting on "cheater" clothes for years!
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Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When you press the seam allowance to one side, there is a "low" side to the seam and a "high" side. Gently pull the seam apart and SID along the high side ON the low side right where the ridge is. When you let go of the seam, the SID will literally disappear into the seam.
When the seam allowance flips, you can gently move the seam over by a notch so the needle will land on the low side again. THat said, I have done some work where I sewed ON THE HIGH SIDE sort of like a topstitch. It is personal preference. When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol) |
Boy am I glad to know I am not alone ...
Originally Posted by Lisa_wanna_b_quilter
As far as I'm concerned, SID sounds easy but is not. I'm with MadQuilter. I meander around the seam.
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And my poor SITD has a tendency to be both places when I use my HQ16. So I avoid it like crazy. I just can't do it without a lot more practice and I always want to do other stuff first so don't practice.
So I just tell myself that I like whatever I do and my g-kids are ALWAYS happy with it. Kathy |
Originally Posted by MadQuilter
When I had a little too much wine, I have meandered around the ditch (not sure they make an acronym for that - lol)
SUI - "Stitching Under the Influence" |
I guess we can all say our SID is our own little Drunkard's Path???
Kathy |
Originally Posted by schuffle
I guess we can all say our SID is our own little Drunkard's Path???
Kathy |
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