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Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 08:36 AM

This is an excerpt from a newsletter that we just received from Marcus last night. With all the concern about prices, I thought you might like to know what the manufacturers are telling the retail shops.

"What is causing the price increases? First, there is a worldwide cotton shortage, now in its second year. The situation was significantly compounded by the flooding in Pakistan, which decimated the local cotton crops. Cotton prices are up over 100% from this time last year. Additionally, there are labor shortages, dollar devaluations and a list of global economic conditions in general; together, these affect the pricing on all products coming out of China. Not only has this created a shortage of greige goods for printing in China, but adversely affected the cost of the greige goods available worldwide. While we do print in Korea, the majority of the greige comes from China.

Looking ahead, what can we expect? We have experienced shortages in the past, but this particular set of conditions is like no other we have ever experienced in our 100-year history. In addition, greed and corruption are fueling extreme price fluctuations, as greige goods producers hold out for the best price. This cannot last forever, and hopefully the market will stabilize in the first quarter of 2011. The good news is that we are just now hearing that the cost of cotton is going down. However, these lower prices will likely not be reflected in the market for another six to nine months; as with any commodity, cotton costs rise faster than they fall. The challenge is that we must produce goods at the today's pricing. It will be a difficult 2011 for all of us, both within the industry and beyond."


BTW... Moda has been holding their prices steady, even for their new 2011 lines. When the rep stopped by, she said that they were able to do this because they had been working with the same suppliers and mills for so long, that they had excellent relationships built up with them. Perhaps the good connections allow them to avoid the greedy suppliers? Only Moda knows...

Lynnejean 12-03-2010 08:58 AM

very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

amandasgramma 12-03-2010 09:12 AM

Yip -- that's what they were talking about on the FoxBusiness channel. I suggested to DH that we take the guest room and start stashing LOADS of fabric in there....fill the room up. I got "that" look from him .....guess that won't happen!!!

joan_quilts 12-03-2010 09:12 AM

I think we should produce our own products in America. I don't know why fabric has to come from China. With all the bad press of China products, you would think we could produce enough cotton crops for our country. I don't like the fact the China as put lead in toys, bad chemicals in tooth paste, etc. JMO

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 09:47 AM

I think that everything comes from China because it's cheaper to produce it over there. Fewer labor costs, and less environmental controls.

We have been trained to shop by price first and foremost, for years, and this is one of the consequences.

From what I've been told by folks in the textile industry, all the cotton combing and weaving equipment left our shores over a decade ago. Even if we *wanted* to bring it back... that would take quite some time. And we are an impatient society.

Jamiestitcher62 12-03-2010 09:48 AM

Wait until it takes a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a yard of fabric in the not too distant future. When the FED
prints money to pay our debt, our bucks are worth less. Yippie, can't wait (sarc). Thank God I have a pretty good stash built up and can probably quilt for a few years at least until I'm out.

About the cheap labor in China, we drove those businesses overseas by labor not being competitive and taxing the heck out them. Apparently if we want our companies to stay here we have to provide incentive for them to do so.

Start stocking up on the fabric ladies. Such a chore, I know LOL.

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jamiestitcher62
Wait until it takes a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a yard of fabric in the not too distant future. When the FED
prints money to pay our debt, our bucks are worth less. Yippie, can't wait (sarc). Thank God I have a pretty good stash built up and can probably quilt for a few years at least until I'm out.

Just had a terrible thought.... do they use cotton in printing money???

I go To The Sea To Breathe 12-03-2010 09:57 AM

very interesting discussion ladies.

Rebecca VLQ 12-03-2010 10:33 AM

Woo....looks like I started my fast just in time! :lol:

Thanks for the info...it's good to know what the real deal is, as it applies to the consumer!

amma 12-03-2010 11:44 AM

Thank you for keeping us informed :D:D:D

butterflywing 12-03-2010 12:26 PM

this is the result of making ourselves dependent on other countries for products that we always produced here. i wonder if buying from china at high costs really is a savings when it put so many people here out of work and now they have to collect unemployment, go on welfare, need food stamps and health care?
it seems that what we saved in products we pay in taxes to support those programs for the needy. something to think about when we buy from china and turn our backs on people who need help feeding their families.

gale 12-03-2010 12:28 PM

thanks for the info! Moda might be holding their prices steady but from what I've seen and read, the shops are still charging higher prices for Moda fabrics.

bjnicholson 12-03-2010 12:35 PM

I just ordered some Laurel Burch fab from PM Quilting and it was only $8.50 a yd compared to others who (if they have it) are charging $9.00 to $9.50. So, not all companies are passing it on.

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by bjnicholson
I just ordered some Laurel Burch fab from PM Quilting and it was only $8.50 a yd compared to others who (if they have it) are charging $9.00 to $9.50. So, not all companies are passing it on.

It all depends... if as a shop you have lower overhead, or live closer to Clothworks (who makes the Laurel Burch fabric) so that you pay less in shipping, or if your shop rent is lower, then you can price your goods a bit less.

I can tell you that the fabric manufacturers pretty much charge all their customers the same price. Maybe some of the "favorite" shops get a tiny discount of 25 cents / yard or so.

Be aware, though, that some shops charge a higher regular price, but then run sales or promotions. Other shops may not run sales as often but try to keep their everyday price lower.

As in everything, you have to shop around.

BMP 12-03-2010 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by joan_quilts
I think we should produce our own products in America. I don't know why fabric has to come from China. With all the bad press of China products, you would think we could produce enough cotton crops for our country. I don't like the fact the China as put lead in toys, bad chemicals in tooth paste, etc. JMO

AMEN. We have out sourced so much to other countries we have cut our own noses off !!!

Lori S 12-03-2010 01:30 PM

Thank-you for the informed update. I always value information from those closest to real issue. It is generous of you to share with all of us.

candi 12-03-2010 01:31 PM

Thanks for sharing this information with us. I, for one, appreciate staying informed from the source.

craftybear 12-03-2010 02:32 PM

Thanks for sharing with all of us!

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by joan_quilts
... you would think we could produce enough cotton crops for our country.O

Well, we probably *do* produce enough cotton crops to cover our own needs. The US is one of the world's top 3 producers of cotton (see this informative link: http://unctad.org/infocomm/anglais/cotton/market.htm)

However, we apparently do not do much of the processing of cotton anymore.

"Cotton consumption has shifted to developing countries mainly as a reflection of rising wage levels in developed countries. In the textile sector, labour accounts for about 1/6 of production costs. This means that raising labour costs eroded the competitive edge of developed countries, and contributed to the shifting of cotton processing to low-cost economies (most notably Asia and the Maghreb, but also Africa). "

If you followed the link above, you will not that China is now the world's largest producer of cotton. So it makes sense that they would also be the main producer of greige goods (unprinted cotton cloth) especially given their low labor costs.

So... what does this mean? While we occasionally find a company that says "our fabric is made from cotton grown in the USA" that's about as close to home as we can get. For quilting cottons, I think that Santee is the only plant that still prints in the US, and even so, the greige goods come from overseas.

What's a quilter to do? Well, you could do what I've tried to do: let the fabric manufacturers know that we at least would like our fabrics made from cotton that's grown in the US. I've spoken to people from several companies and have told them that it would be a good marketing edge, if they could do as Connecting Threads has done, and at least say that their fabric is from US-grown cotton. I don't know if they have been listening, but I've tried to tell them it would be good for their business.

My voice alone is small. Perhaps more voices together would be persuasive!

Sheila Elaine 12-03-2010 04:08 PM

When I was a small child, my Dad & Uncle grew cotton crops on their parents land in Randolph Co, AL, on the border with GA. This was in the late 40s, early 50s. My dad had to take a Government job 50 miles away in order to feed three children & his wife, & we moved 50 miles away; however, my uncle (his brother) stayed on the farm & continued to grow cotton, but about 1954, the Government took over & started paying farmers not to grow cotton. My Mother's parents & siblings also moved close to us 50 miles away & my Grandfather worked for the Government also. The migration of farmers had already started to the Northern Car Mfg States, so I remember thinking what is going on. After the Government quit paying farmers to grow cotton, my Uncle went to work in a factory in GA, at a factory where they produce copper tubing & wiring. Back then, folks worked at whatever jobs they could get. Government workers had Health Insurance, Blue/Cross/Blue Shield of Alabama, so that's the first time our family had it.

Here we are 56 years later, but many have lost jobs, health insurance, and other benefits they had at their jobs. I have only seen two or three cotton crops in the field in the last 15 years & that was in North AL. I'm sure there are many who would go to farming if the Government would start programs to help them obtain loans to buy farming tractors & equipment to get started again. We are several generations away from the 50s, but there are some older folks still around who could instruct the younger workers how to grow cotton, corn, gardens and other crops. Times change but I am curious if this could happen and bring back our equipment from overseas to reopen our garment factories that were taken away here in NE Ala where I live now. My DIL low her job in a sports clothing mfg shop and many in & around Ft. Payne, AL lost jobs at Sock Mills. Ft. Payne was the Worlds leading sock producer for years until they bought up all the machines & sent the all overseas. Now you have a lot of folks around that area still unemployed.

My feeling is America needs to supply to America before they supply the rest of the world. Where is there a politician that can appoint folks to get out & travel & see what needs to happen to get America running again. We always need military facilities to train our soldiers, plus factories to make supplies for the military. There has been cuts of military bases and I for one feel that is not right. If we have to destroy America to build up other countries, who is on the front line taking note of this.

I'll do without factory produced fabric until folks get their heads out of the sand & push for our jobs to come back to our shores. I'll use what fabric I have & what I can obtain from thrift stores & the like, or placed the have fabric outlets. I watch the fashion runway shows & shows that sell high priced clothes, but we can get by with what we have now until the prices can come down at sales. Folks could make their own clothes like they once did if we had fabric we could afford and classes to teach the ones who don't know how to sew. Our society has become so fashion & idol conscious it makes me sick.

Lisa's Stitching Post 12-03-2010 04:25 PM

My Moda rep said all of the upcoming new lines being released in January will probably be 35 cents a yard higher.

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 04:30 PM

More about the story of socks here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=16661333

It's very much worth reading!

And here's a link to very fun socks that are made in the USA - made from recycled scrap cotton into yarn spun in the USA to knitted and finished in the USA. What's not to like about that? http://www.socklady.com I'm wearing my favorite pair now, that my mother-in-law gave me for Christmas last year and they are holding up beautifully, much better than the department-store variety. Plus they have character!

IrishNY 12-03-2010 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Favorite Fabrics

Originally Posted by Jamiestitcher62
Wait until it takes a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a yard of fabric in the not too distant future. When the FED
prints money to pay our debt, our bucks are worth less. Yippie, can't wait (sarc). Thank God I have a pretty good stash built up and can probably quilt for a few years at least until I'm out.

Just had a terrible thought.... do they use cotton in printing money???

I have a BIL who works for the company that makes the paper for money. He's a paper scientist. I will ask him but I'm not sure he can tell me.

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lisa's Stitching Post
My Moda rep said all of the upcoming new lines being released in January will probably be 35 cents a yard higher.

Lisa, you can see for yourself on the B2BWEB portion of Moda's website that it isn't so. Lines that are coming out in April 2011 are priced at only 10 cents / yard more than the ones that shipped in April 2010. If you don't have (business) access to their site just ask them to set you up for it.

jljack 12-03-2010 04:41 PM

Part of the problem of US products being not cost competitive with foreign products is that the US is not charging tariffs on almost all the products coming from China, Japan and the Middle East. But they do charge tariffs on products coming from Europe, Australia, etc. Think about that....those companies do not pay any taxes to our country, and their prices are so low Americans buy their products rather than our own USA products. Basically we are sending all our money overseas. That's a pretty scary thought to me...I wonder why Congress ever thought this was a good idea!!!

Lisa's Stitching Post 12-03-2010 04:49 PM

I think she was talking about the lines that are coming out in January--I mean, the ones they will start taking pre-orders for in January. This is what she said: "We have been told that it's inevitable, that there will definitely be a price increase after the first of the year. Basics will go up, and the lines that are released to us the first part of January (Christmas 2011, Halloween, Fall collections) will reflect the increase as well. It will be a significant increase, and I suspect it may be up to .35 per yard. We will still offer prepaid freight, which is a good deal."

Lisa's Stitching Post 12-03-2010 04:52 PM

I toured the Bureau of Engraving and Printing here in Texas last Spring--and they said paper currency is made out of several different fibers--one of which is cotton. :(

JJs 12-03-2010 04:52 PM

Well, there may not be much cotton grown in north Alabama, but it's certainly all over the place down here in south Alabama and in Mississippi....
There are also lots of peanuts grown here
There are also at least two cotton gins that I know of here - the fear is, if the gins ever close because of not enough cotton being grown they won't open back up....

Lots of clothes were made here back in the day, a lot of the ladies I have met since moving here worked in the factories but they have all closed. The cap company closed up (ball caps), unemployment is still high...
but hey, we gotta send our money overseas to help this, that, and the other...
don't get me started LOL

Lisa's Stitching Post 12-03-2010 04:59 PM

That's what happened to the U.S. based garment manufacturing industry. I've heard what used to be the "garment district" in New York City looks like a ghost town now. I know so many Americans who have lost their jobs due to outsourcing work overseas. My husband was one of them--so don't get ME started, either! LOL!

gale 12-03-2010 05:01 PM

If the fabrics were all made in the USA I am willing to bet the prices would be even higher. Americans won't work for the piddly wages that the Chinese get.

Butterflyblue 12-03-2010 05:51 PM

I live in an area where there is a lot of cotton - what I've heard is that other crops are just paying better right now to grow, so not as many people are growing it. This is in part because of the demand (and corresponding higher price) for crops that can be used to produce ethanol for "greener" fuels.

Cyn 12-03-2010 05:55 PM

Thanks for the update!

BMP 12-03-2010 05:55 PM

The things happening to our country the last 8-10 years is shameful. It also doesnt help our economy with a war going on either....BinLaden really did more to us than just that awful day... 9-11.

martha jo 12-03-2010 05:58 PM

I live in what was cotton country. In the last fifteen years the cotton fields have become subdivisions. They are paving part of my farm as we speak to build a tollroad. No course. Too many people and they take your property imminent domain.

Texasjunebug 12-03-2010 06:57 PM

"Although cotton plants are just in the final stage before boll opening in the region, cotton industry experts predict the 2010 cotton crop will produce substantially higher yields than last year. However, they said it is still too early to start celebrating.

According to the USDA Crop Production Report released Aug. 12, U.S. cotton production forecasts more than 18 million 480-pound bales will come out of this season — up 52 percent from 2009. Texas could see a record high of 8.8 million bales and, of that number, roughly 6 million bales will be produced in the High Plains."

So, guys, Texas is doing her part. We're shipping tons of cotton to Mexico to be made into denim, then jeans. It would be nice to have those factories here in Texas. It's really a shame when the greatest commodity profit is made by traders.

dgsmom 12-03-2010 07:47 PM

thanks for sharing

Pickles 12-03-2010 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sheila Elaine
When I was a small child, my Dad & Uncle grew cotton crops on their parents land in Randolph Co, AL, on the border with GA. This was in the late 40s, early 50s. My dad had to take a Government job 50 miles away in order to feed three children & his wife, & we moved 50 miles away; however, my uncle (his brother) stayed on the farm & continued to grow cotton, but about 1954, the Government took over & started paying farmers not to grow cotton. My Mother's parents & siblings also moved close to us 50 miles away & my Grandfather worked for the Government also. The migration of farmers had already started to the Northern Car Mfg States, so I remember thinking what is going on. After the Government quit paying farmers to grow cotton, my Uncle went to work in a factory in GA, at a factory where they produce copper tubing & wiring. Back then, folks worked at whatever jobs they could get. Government workers had Health Insurance, Blue/Cross/Blue Shield of Alabama, so that's the first time our family had it.

Here we are 56 years later, but many have lost jobs, health insurance, and other benefits they had at their jobs. I have only seen two or three cotton crops in the field in the last 15 years & that was in North AL. I'm sure there are many who would go to farming if the Government would start programs to help them obtain loans to buy farming tractors & equipment to get started again. We are several generations away from the 50s, but there are some older folks still around who could instruct the younger workers how to grow cotton, corn, gardens and other crops. Times change but I am curious if this could happen and bring back our equipment from overseas to reopen our garment factories that were taken away here in NE Ala where I live now. My DIL low her job in a sports clothing mfg shop and many in & around Ft. Payne, AL lost jobs at Sock Mills. Ft. Payne was the Worlds leading sock producer for years until they bought up all the machines & sent the all overseas. Now you have a lot of folks around that area still unemployed.

My feeling is America needs to supply to America before they supply the rest of the world. Where is there a politician that can appoint folks to get out & travel & see what needs to happen to get America running again. We always need military facilities to train our soldiers, plus factories to make supplies for the military. There has been cuts of military bases and I for one feel that is not right. If we have to destroy America to build up other countries, who is on the front line taking note of this.

I'll do without factory produced fabric until folks get their heads out of the sand & push for our jobs to come back to our shores. I'll use what fabric I have & what I can obtain from thrift stores & the like, or placed the have fabric outlets. I watch the fashion runway shows & shows that sell high priced clothes, but we can get by with what we have now until the prices can come down at sales. Folks could make their own clothes like they once did if we had fabric we could afford and classes to teach the ones who don't know how to sew. Our society has become so fashion & idol conscious it makes me sick.


I totally agree with you, and I don't and want buy New Fabric
either , I've always believed in recycling and not supporting other country's while we go under our selfs here at home :thumbup:

pittsburgpam 12-03-2010 08:19 PM

If I had the money to spare right now I think I would be buying what I could whenever there was a good sale.

adyldrop 12-03-2010 08:36 PM

boy i'm glsd my favorite is moda!!

Favorite Fabrics 12-03-2010 09:01 PM

That's certainly true... but I would love to know how much more the fabric would have to cost, to be USA-made instead of China-made.


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