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mimisharon 01-06-2010 12:06 PM

Always 1/4 inch shy all around. Checked my measurements twice when cutting, checked my 1/4 inch seam with each seam, still came out a perfect 12 instead of 12 1/2. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroowwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllllllll

Ninnie 01-06-2010 12:11 PM

I don't know the answer, but will be watching for it. :roll: :roll:
this has also happened to me. Went back and did a s cant 1/4, and it came out right then.

nativetexan 01-06-2010 12:22 PM

something is fishy in Denmark!

cutebuns 01-06-2010 12:31 PM

at least it is a perfect something! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

shaverg 01-06-2010 01:19 PM

I always do a scant 1/4 inch. Just one thread difference on each seam can make a huge difference in the size of the block.

prairiegirl 01-06-2010 01:26 PM

Oh, this is sure frustrating.
Hope you get it worked out.

Tiffany 01-06-2010 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by mimisharon
Always 1/4 inch shy all around. Checked my measurements twice when cutting, checked my 1/4 inch seam with each seam, still came out a perfect 12 instead of 12 1/2. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroowwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllllllll

My first thought is to ask where you are putting your ruler line when making a cut. If your ruler has thick lines, it could cause your cut piece to be off a thread or two, which quickly adds up when making a block. My second thought is to wonder how thick the thread you are using is. The thicker the thread, the more you will want to sew using a scant quarter inch in order to leave room for the thread thickness. My third thought is ironing. Make sure to press your pieces completely open. I would have never thought of this but I had an instructor point out to me that I was being too gentle (who would've thought!?!) when pressing and I wasn't getting my pieces opened all the way. It wasn't anything obvious since it looked fine but once I became more aggressive with my pressing my pieces started coming out the right size. Fourth, if it isn't you or your machine, check the pattern. There are patterns out there that are simply wrong and will always come out a bit small or large.

The best way to check is to cut three pieces of fabric at 2 1/2 inches. Sew each one together, press open, then measure both the seam and the entire piece. It should come out exactly 6 inches square. If not, why? Hope this helps.

janRN 01-06-2010 02:58 PM

MimiSharon, I appreciate you asking this question. I can make 4 blocks all come out the same but that darn 5th block comes out different!! Either 1/4 inch bigger or a 1/4 inch smaller. I've always blamed it on quilting gremlins. Now I know some things to try. Thanks everyone.

watterstide 01-06-2010 03:03 PM

What block was it?

there are a couple things that come to mind..
the more seams you have in the block..the smaller it may get..Think about the smidge you loose with every seam..

sometimes it is the thinkness of the thread..so the scant 1/4" is the best way to go..

i see that was answered above..tiffany has it..

Dix 01-06-2010 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by mimisharon
Always 1/4 inch shy all around. Checked my measurements twice when cutting, checked my 1/4 inch seam with each seam, still came out a perfect 12 instead of 12 1/2. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroowwwwwwwwwwllllllllllllllllll

I nearly always use a scant 1/4 inch. Also, I tend to cut into the ruler just a slant, not so you would even notice. I have to really watch to keep the rotary cuttter straight in my hand. A teacher, when I was taking a class one time, told me some right handed people tend to push in and slant toward the ruler.
Hope all the suggestions help!

BellaBoo 01-06-2010 03:25 PM

I sew die cuts more than anything and I know the cuts are perfect so it has to be my stitching. I use very thin bobbin thread, Bottom Line or Coats&Clark Bobbin thread. I find it saves me time and frustration by marking a scant 1/4" seam line and sewing on the line. If I cut my own, I add 1/8" to each cut.

MadQuilter 01-06-2010 03:31 PM

I noticed that the other day when I tested a block. The first one was a bear. Perfect but ugly. The second one went together lickety spit - beautiful but off. Go figure.

Can you break it down into the components and measure where you are off?

Tiffany 01-06-2010 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by MadQuilter
I noticed that the other day when I tested a block. The first one was a bear. Perfect but ugly. The second one went together lickety spit - beautiful but off. Go figure.

Can you break it down into the components and measure where you are off?

This is what Sally Collins does, she measures each unit at each stage of the piecing process. She is known for her masterwork precision piecing & this is what she mainly teaches. I'm very excited because she is coming to our local guild and I am getting to take a couple classes from her. I can't wait to learn, learn, learn!

amma 01-06-2010 06:56 PM

(((HUGS))) It IS the quilting Gremlins :twisted: :twisted:
The little buggers get you when you least expect them...
I have even tried leaving them out chocolate, to appease them... :wink:

Lisa_wanna_b_quilter 01-06-2010 07:37 PM

I've always assumed it was because I have somehow ticked off the Goddess of Quilting and she is punishing me. I SWEAR to you I have had blocks come out too small when EVERY seam was perfect and ever piece precision cut.

Tiffany 01-06-2010 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Lisa_wanna_b_quilter
I've always assumed it was because I have somehow ticked off the Goddess of Quilting and she is punishing me. I SWEAR to you I have had blocks come out too small when EVERY seam was perfect and ever piece precision cut.

Maybe it's just your eyes. :lol:

Gremlins...I've got a few of those. I think they mess up my quilt room when I'm asleep and mix up my fabrics. Not to mention the mess they make as they unthread all my thread spools! :P

oksewglad 01-06-2010 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Tiffany

Originally Posted by Lisa_wanna_b_quilter
I've always assumed it was because I have somehow ticked off the Goddess of Quilting and she is punishing me. I SWEAR to you I have had blocks come out too small when EVERY seam was perfect and ever piece precision cut.

Maybe it's just your eyes. :lol:

Gremlins...I've got a few of those. I think they mess up my quilt room when I'm asleep and mix up my fabrics. Not to mention the mess they make as they unthread all my thread spools! :P

Are they the same ones who take your little mini quilt blocks and hide them for days until after you are finished with the whole mini quilt? :roll:

ctmhjenn 01-06-2010 08:41 PM

Your not alone...been there, and did it over and over. The scant works, but I have also found that it can come out too big then. I do the moving the needle over one stitch, same thing. I'm with the madquilter, press it super good, and use steam...let it know WHOSE BOSS!

mimisharon 01-06-2010 09:14 PM

Well, the story of the 'scant' is that I get the eyebrow from some of our quild when they aren't full quarter inch seams. The thread was lightweight because the fabric was heavier batik. I think tomorrow I'll do a lot of pic'n and restitch with the scant and let the eyebrows wiggle as they will.

It's called 'Chain and Hourglass' from quilterscache. I love the block, it looks good with the gold I chose (IMHO) and yet........I'll get a picture of it in the morning and then you can waggle your eyebrows at me. :oops: :hunf:

I chose another block to use the starter fabric and was going to give the winner the two blocks, but y'all have some good thoughts and suggestions so I'll try pic'n tomorrow.

I did finish the 'nursing cover' for my granddaughter. I was going to do nine patch blocks BUT I went to my LQS yesterday and that cooked it. I found a panel there that had 'Boys are like that' or some such nonsense so I bought three panels and put two of them together. God the buttons on it and made the strap to go around her neck.

Also made her three protective changing pads. Hey, no wonder I'm tired....I had a busy day. Think I'll hit the hay.

Thanks so much for all the good suggestions. BTW I do use steam on these straight forward blocks. I try not to use it on the bias cuts though. I don't like them waving back at me.
:cry: :roll:

Oklahoma Suzie 01-07-2010 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by shaverg
I always do a scant 1/4 inch. Just one thread difference on each seam can make a huge difference in the size of the block.

I would try the scant 1/4 inch.

Elisabrat 01-07-2010 06:33 AM

I was reading the other day about the scant 1/4 which is actually a 3/16th of a seam so you need to check out your ruler and look at how little that amount is and if you pull back your seam line just that smidgen more every single time.. you will get your block the right size (assumingyou cut things the right size). I did it and whola, my block was now the right size. The other thing you can do is simply go as you are and if your blocks are 12" unfinished then thats the size they are. And not let it get you.

watterstide 01-07-2010 06:38 AM

That is comforting to me! I started using the scant a while back..it makes a big difference..i think

jeammezera 01-07-2010 07:56 AM

If you can get an Accuquilt Go this will cut perfect strips. I love it. Perhaps a few people could go together to get one or maybe your quilt shop has one to rent.

Joan 01-07-2010 08:09 AM

MimiSharon, this is has happened to me more times than I like to admit.

A regular 3" x 5" file card has lines 1/4 inch apart. Run it through your sewing machine to check the accuracy of your 1/4" foot.

I have found that my 1/4" foot is just a scant bit big (but big enough to throw everything off) so I always shoot for a "scant" 1/4 inch.

Nancy in Louisiana 01-07-2010 08:30 AM

I wish someone would come out with a "scant quarter-inch" foot, then this wouldn't be an issue.

And leaving out chocolate didn't work????

watterstide 01-07-2010 08:39 AM

do you realize that just because you have a 1/4 foot on, you may not be getting a 1/4" . It is something i learned from a message board..had no idea, when i first started out..
if your needle can move left or right, it can be adjusted...you have to check everytime you start sewing..or you should..

Donna Griffith 01-07-2010 08:45 AM

please explaing what a scant seam is.

watterstide 01-07-2010 08:47 AM

http://www.scrapquilts.com/accurate_seams.html

hope this helps...

watterstide 01-07-2010 08:49 AM

and this one..
http://www.sewaquilt.com/machine-piecing.html

bob1414 01-07-2010 09:03 AM

Could your pattern cutting instructions have been wrong? You could do the math and double check it.

Boston1954 01-07-2010 09:13 AM

This has happened to me many times, and I do not know the answer either. I can never join swaps because mine are not the right size.

Tiffany 01-07-2010 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by oksewglad

Originally Posted by Tiffany

Originally Posted by Lisa_wanna_b_quilter
I've always assumed it was because I have somehow ticked off the Goddess of Quilting and she is punishing me. I SWEAR to you I have had blocks come out too small when EVERY seam was perfect and ever piece precision cut.

Maybe it's just your eyes. :lol:

Gremlins...I've got a few of those. I think they mess up my quilt room when I'm asleep and mix up my fabrics. Not to mention the mess they make as they unthread all my thread spools! :P

Are they the same ones who take your little mini quilt blocks and hide them for days until after you are finished with the whole mini quilt? :roll:

Yes, those are the same ones! They also hide fabric I need when I discover I need to make an extra block. I've been searching for a particular fabric they've hidden for about 6 months now. I put it away (evidently somewhere nice and safe) and they moved it on me. It's holding up putting together an entire quilt! They also use up all my erasable pens. I'm certain of it because they are always empty when I go to mark a quilt top.

mimisharon - we call pic'n and restichin "reverse sewing" out here. I am very good at it. :|


Originally Posted by bob1414
Could your pattern cutting instructions have been wrong? You could do the math and double check it.

YES! I've learned to really check out any pattern I pull down off the internet. It took me awhile to realize this and now I simply check before sewing or I spend a lot of time saying naughty words and reverse sewing. I find that those that are paper pieced tend to be the worst offenders, even when the inch measuring guide is perfect. :x

dmackey 01-07-2010 10:53 AM

I am a self-taught quilter and have made so many mistakes, that I learned from, and the major issue for me was that 1/4 inch perfect seam.

My research summary is that you should ALWAYS use a scant 1/4 inch, because the thread, the fold, the fabric weight, and the pressing enlarges that 1/4". The most popular way to do this that I had found was to use a 1/4" presser foot, with a fabric guide on it, and move your needle position once to the right.

If no fabric guide on your 1/4" foot, then I use the 1/2 inch sticky insulation tape to keep the fabric straight. It was all I had in the house and it worked great! As much as we strive to keep the fabric straight under the presser foot, it can shift that thread or two either way.

Pressing absolutely makes a difference. I press the seam as sewn to push the stitches into the fabric, then open the fabric and press to the dark, then on the wrong side, I press the seam flat again.

Alway square up your patches/blocks when making the first few or for the whole quilt. I like to find my issues as soon as possible. While I prefer to make all patches at once, I know know that making a few blocks first is more important for accuracy.

Ruler lines can make a difference too. Use the same ruler for all cuts and make sure that ruler is correct! If the ruler is a perfect 2", when you cut, you are still adding to the width if you are not right on the edge. For me, this means sometimes moving the 2" line inside the cut area, especially on my Olfa lip ruler.

I have yet to use templates, but I can understand how they could be a problem, between drawing lines, ruler lines, and the actual cut line.

So many teeny weeny details! I try to stick to rotary cut patterns to keep the sewing as simple as possible and easier to deal with the details.

I still screw up a block here and there! But what is a great homemade quilt without some fudging in it? LOL!

Diane

LINANN 01-07-2010 11:21 AM

I was told it could be the thickness of the thread. Taking a scant 1/4 helps

MadQuilter 01-07-2010 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by mimisharon
........I'll get a picture of it in the morning and then you can waggle your eyebrows at me.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't waggle. I might raise said caterpillars above my visual orbs (certainly not at anyone on the board), but waggle, they do not.

Ditter43 01-07-2010 02:49 PM

Amma....
If I left out chocolate for the gremlins, guess who would eat it? he he he he ....too funny!!!!
Ditter

89a677 01-07-2010 04:19 PM

I always move my needle 1 position to the right and that seems to help.

bebe 01-07-2010 05:14 PM

if you used triangles in your block that happens to me.. cut a bit larger and square up before you put the block together. darn short again :lol: :lol: :lol:

cumberlandquiltchick 01-07-2010 06:07 PM

I like to cut things a little bigger and then trim down if I'm having this problem....

auntmarie 01-08-2010 02:51 AM

What a wonderful and helpful site!
Thank you,


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