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Thread: VSMS: Difference between Singer 115 and Singer 15-30 machines?

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    Hi all... I've been 'absent' for a while... but yesterday, I happened to stop by a thrift store and pick up a (I think) 15-30 in a plain jane, 5 drawer cabinet #2. Other than lifting wood on the fold out top, it's in great condition. Drawer springs intact, center drawer perfect, treadle head almost mint 'Gingerbread' decals. (See picture of machine). Came with attachments (low shank/side clamp) but no book.

    Here's my question. The serial number is hard to read, I think it's G394507. But after looking at it in strong light, I think there's a "1" stamped on the far right side of the brass plate, almost off the plate itself. If so, then it's a model 15, allotted 2/15/1915. There are a lot of sub models, but given that the bobbin winder is high, the tension is not numbered and there's no bobbin winder guide on the right side bed - I think it's a 15-30.

    Question #1: That cabinet #2 (sorry no picture yet) according to ISMACS, was used for 15-30s, 66-1s, 127s and 115s. I hadn't heard of 115's.... so I looked. It looks awful similar to a 15-30. A google search doesn't show me much. What's the difference?

    Question #2: Is it possible to replace that old, bunch o wires tension, with a say... 15-91 tension set up in it's place?

    Question #3: The face plate on this machine is totally dull silver blank... no scroll, no striations, it's flat-plain. Never seen this before.... what is it? It's in a treadle cabinet, not portable case... so I don't think it's a Navy/Army machine. See picture...

    Note: the pictures are pre clean up. Thanks for any tips/advice/knowledge... kim

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    I don't know about the 115's, but that is going to be a gorgeous machine when it's cleaned. Except for that one small place on the back of the bed and the "Singer" on the back of the arm, you might be able get back all the color of the original decals. How fabulous! :)

    It looks like you should be able to replace the face plate & tensioner with a decorated one from the 30's. Do you have another 15 that you could try it with to see if it works?

    These old tensioners are really good ones, though - a couple of my treadles have them and once you get the two disks polished, they work beautifully. :)

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    Hi Polyp... thanks... the decals are really steller. Little to no chipping in the japan either. Just a lot of dirt and old grease.

    The bed looks like the oil will clean off and the decals be fine. I'll need to go slow and careful... one swipe cotton balls and q-tips for sure. There is one spot on the bed where they might be a tad silvered. The section "N" on the back, that's worn... and I can't tell why. There's no pin rash. Who knows.

    I do have a 15-91 from 1942, but that's got a totally different molding to the face plate. I checked. Interesting. I've got my eye out on ebay for some old timey scrolly 15 plates....

    Meanwhile, I guess I'll try using the dremal for polishing up the metal bits, then 000 steel wool. I'm not sure what attachment to use on the dremal though... I'd think the brushy sanders are too harsh, and the sanding drums I have will also cut grooves into soft metal, I should think.

    What dremal attachments/sanders/belts/brushes do you recommend???

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    You can get buffing wheels at just about any hardware store that will fit a Dremel or you could get a buff to put on a bench grinder/jeweler's lathe if you happen to have one of those.

    Get either flannel or muslin and for a handheld rotary or a bench grinder buffing wheel, take out the outer ring of stitching on the wheel to make it softer. Take it outside and run it against a screwdriver tip to tear up the outside edges and pull out any loose threads/lint.

    Of course be sure to follow all safety considerations - if you have long hair, pull it back into a bun, take off all jewelry and wear short-sleeved, close-fitting clothing and eye protection. Especially in the case of the bench grinder or jeweler's lathe, the amount of power to rip something out of your hand and send it flying is just incredible.

    I like to soak the plates in Evaporust - it floats off a lot of gunk effortlessly. Then you just polish up the metal with a soft cloth and some metal or chrome polish. Even TR3 Resin Glaze will shine it up and protect it. There are buffing compounds to use with your buffs, but I've never gotten any of those. Between the Evaporust and Wright's or Brasso, it's always gotten the parts shiny and clean and that's where I have stopped. You can go a lot farther with it, though. :)

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    I definitely would not use any grinding or sanding bits - only the buffing wheels.

    And without any kind of compound in the wheel - some of those buffing compounds cut VERY fast - you'd think you're using sandpaper! :shock:

    What a lovely project this is going to be! :)

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    Kim, I don't have any answers but I suggest going to the virtual machine shop on the board for some.
    What a beauty!!!!!!!! Can't wait till she's jazzed up :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepolyparrot
    You can get buffing wheels at just about any hardware store that will fit a Dremel or you could get a buff to put on a bench grinder/jeweler's lathe if you happen to have one of those.

    Get either flannel or muslin and for a handheld rotary or a bench grinder buffing wheel, take out the outer ring of stitching on the wheel to make it softer. Take it outside and run it against a screwdriver tip to tear up the outside edges and pull out any loose threads/lint.

    Of course be sure to follow all safety considerations - if you have long hair, pull it back into a bun, take off all jewelry and wear short-sleeved, close-fitting clothing and eye protection. Especially in the case of the bench grinder or jeweler's lathe, the amount of power to rip something out of your hand and send it flying is just incredible.

    I like to soak the plates in Evaporust - it floats off a lot of gunk effortlessly. Then you just polish up the metal with a soft cloth and some metal or chrome polish. Even TR3 Resin Glaze will shine it up and protect it. There are buffing compounds to use with your buffs, but I've never gotten any of those. Between the Evaporust and Wright's or Brasso, it's always gotten the parts shiny and clean and that's where I have stopped. You can go a lot farther with it, though. :)
    Thanks... your advice is running right along with my inner 'feeling' on it. I do have a bench grinder, but it's too big to do the small parts with control. The dremel will work fine with a buffer. I also have Brasso and Simichrome which should work just fine for this. What I don't have is Evaporust. I've used regular Kero for cleaning. Thanks for that tip. (I've seen this just recently over on the VSMS board... too).

    Yes to all the protections! Thanks. I'm a hobbiest blacksmith as well as a quilter.. I've had my long hair set on fire three times - even tied back.. lol.

    Love these old machines...

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    I think the 115's have a rotary hook and the 15's have oscillating hooks.

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    What a beauty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Patsy's "Mom"
    I think the 115's have a rotary hook and the 15's have oscillating hooks.
    Now that's a big difference, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Patsy's "Mom"
    I think the 115's have a rotary hook and the 15's have oscillating hooks.
    Now that's a big difference, thanks.
    Is one better than the other? If you had a choice between a 115 rotary and a 15 oscillating, which would you choose and why? (I once had a chance to buy a 115. I passed it up because I've read what excellent machines the model 15's are and I didn't know anything about the 115. Your answers will help me to make a good decision in the future since I want to own one or the other.) Thanks everyone!

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    I think the rotary hook is even more "forgiving" about hook/loop timing than the vertical oscillating hook, which makes it more reliable a stitcher when making fast changes in direction. :)

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    I'd snag a 115 in a heartbeat...there aren't many of them out there!

    Pretty machine Kim...have fun with it! :)

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    I've had great success using Mothers Mag Wheel paste cleaner on the silery/chrome parts. Rusty looking handwheels turned out shiny & new looking. I also like the evaporust bath first, for the removable parts, followed by the Mothers to polish.

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    I've got the machine back on the table to clean. Sure enough, there were bright, beautiful decals underneath some total black oil build up. What was flat black in places, now has some awesome looking decals. There are some smallish nicks here and there in the decals, and one spot where it looks like whom ever did the decals... messed them up? And added gold paint to them??? Did Singer ever sell "B grade" or "factory 2nd" machines? Very curious.

    So far, I haven't been able to unlock the stop washer and remove the wheel. Packed up solid with old layers of grime. It's soaking. Evaporust on the parts, (yeah, I bought some!) as soon as I can get that wheel off.

    Thanks Charlee and all... it's been super fun.

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    I recently bought a 15-30. It was missing the slide plate and the needle plate is the black color also. I got a slide plate and I am having a wooden base built for it. Right now it is sitting in a plastic base. I put a hand crank on it. Mine looked like a lot like yours before cleaning - the "N" on the back is even worn in the same place. Here's what they look like cleaned up:
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    Aren't they beautiful??? :) I have a 27 with these decals, but mine aren't nearly in so good a condition as these.

    kwendt, do you know if you have a full rotary or oscillating hook, yet? Inquiring minds..... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepolyparrot
    Aren't they beautiful??? :) I have a 27 with these decals, but mine aren't nearly in so good a condition as these.

    kwendt, do you know if you have a full rotary or oscillating hook, yet? Inquiring minds..... ;)
    Good question. It's an Oscillating hook.

    Deplaylady... that's a beautiful crank machine there. My decals cleaned up really nice. Got most of the black off her, unfroze the stop motion knob and got her working again (at least, moving, can't really test her fully until she's back in her treadle. Working on the cabinet and irons now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Quote Originally Posted by thepolyparrot
    Aren't they beautiful??? :) I have a 27 with these decals, but mine aren't nearly in so good a condition as these.

    kwendt, do you know if you have a full rotary or oscillating hook, yet? Inquiring minds..... ;)
    Good question. It's an Oscillating hook.

    Deplaylady... that's a beautiful crank machine there. My decals cleaned up really nice. Got most of the black off her, unfroze the stop motion knob and got her working again (at least, moving, can't really test her fully until she's back in her treadle. Working on the cabinet and irons now.
    Here's what she looks like now that I have her in the wooden box that she belongs in. I bought a box someone built that had been covered in wall paper, removed the wallpaper and covered it in veneer. (I replaced the black needle plate because I couldn't find a slide plate to match it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepolyparrot
    I don't know about the 115's, but that is going to be a gorgeous machine when it's cleaned. Except for that one small place on the back of the bed and the "Singer" on the back of the arm, you might be able get back all the color of the original decals. How fabulous! :)

    It looks like you should be able to replace the face plate & tensioner with a decorated one from the 30's. Do you have another 15 that you could try it with to see if it works?

    These old tensioners are really good ones, though - a couple of my treadles have them and once you get the two disks polished, they work beautifully. :)
    I have to agree on the tension. Looks like it should clean up real nice. I have used tooth paste with baking soda on chrome before - didn't need to buff at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam
    It looks like you should be able to replace the face plate & tensioner with a decorated one from the 30's. These old tensioners are really good ones, though - a couple of my treadles have them and once you get the two disks polished, they work beautifully. :)
    I have to agree on the tension. Looks like it should clean up real nice. I have used tooth paste with baking soda on chrome before - didn't need to buff at all.
    Toothpaste? huh. I soaked the tensioner parts (and all the chrome-ish pieces) in Evaporust. Rinsed with water, then rinsed out the water with Kerosene, left to air/evaporate. Then polished up with some Similchrome polish and a LOT of elbow grease. It's much better, but the Chrome was so pitted... The two tensioner disks themselves have obvious wear on them. Not burrs, more like discoloration of the metal from thread wear. I don't have anything to compare it to - to see if they are worn out or not. If when I thread her up, the tension doesn't seem to work right, I'll take it apart and try the toothpaste trick and/or switch out the tensioner all together if one of my other machines fit it.

    I now have THREE standard Singer 15s, one blackside 15 and this 115/15 whatever it is. I will try swapping out the faceplate with one of the standard 15's, just to see if it will work. But first I want to get the 'stock' machine treadled up and running correctly. I'm going to have to fix/adjust the tension, needlebar height and all that - cause I had to dismantle the whole head to get the dried on gunk chiseled off of the internals. This is my very first treadle. I want to try and 'stock' it first, so I get a true understanding of how the original set up should have worked, etc. THEN I'll mess with it some!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deplaylady
    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Deplaylady... that's a beautiful crank machine there.
    Here's what she looks like now that I have her in the wooden box that she belongs in. I bought a box someone built that had been covered in wall paper, removed the wallpaper and covered it in veneer. (I replaced the black needle plate because I couldn't find a slide plate to match it.)
    Gorgeous! I found an electrified 15, in a bentwood case in an old lady's garage sale in Maine on vacation. $10. I was shaking as I put her in the car.... ! Sure, I'm missing the knee lever, but the case is beautiful. Mmmm.... if you don't have a use for that black needle plate, I could sure use it... if you'd like to sell it, please PM me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Quote Originally Posted by deplaylady
    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Deplaylady... that's a beautiful crank machine there.
    Here's what she looks like now that I have her in the wooden box that she belongs in. I bought a box someone built that had been covered in wall paper, removed the wallpaper and covered it in veneer. (I replaced the black needle plate because I couldn't find a slide plate to match it.)
    Gorgeous! I found an electrified 15, in a bentwood case in an old lady's garage sale in Maine on vacation. $10. I was shaking as I put her in the car.... ! Sure, I'm missing the knee lever, but the case is beautiful. Mmmm.... if you don't have a use for that black needle plate, I could sure use it... if you'd like to sell it, please PM me!
    This is what the needle plate looked like - how many of you have machines that came with ones like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deplaylady
    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Quote Originally Posted by deplaylady
    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt
    Deplaylady... that's a beautiful crank machine there.
    Here's what she looks like now that I have her in the wooden box that she belongs in. I bought a box someone built that had been covered in wall paper, removed the wallpaper and covered it in veneer. (I replaced the black needle plate because I couldn't find a slide plate to match it.)
    Gorgeous! I found an electrified 15, in a bentwood case in an old lady's garage sale in Maine on vacation. $10. I was shaking as I put her in the car.... ! Sure, I'm missing the knee lever, but the case is beautiful. Mmmm.... if you don't have a use for that black needle plate, I could sure use it... if you'd like to sell it, please PM me!
    This is what the needle plate looked like - how many of you have machines that came with ones like this?
    LOVE IT!

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    Have you posted "after" pics anywhere? I'd love to see them.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwendt View Post
    Hi all... I've been 'absent' for a while... but yesterday, I happened to stop by a thrift store and pick up a (I think) 15-30 in a plain jane, 5 drawer cabinet #2. Other than lifting wood on the fold out top, it's in great condition. Drawer springs intact, center drawer perfect, treadle head almost mint 'Gingerbread' decals. (See picture of machine). Came with attachments (low shank/side clamp) but no book.

    Here's my question. The serial number is hard to read, I think it's G394507. But after looking at it in strong light, I think there's a "1" stamped on the far right side of the brass plate, almost off the plate itself. If so, then it's a model 15, allotted 2/15/1915. There are a lot of sub models, but given that the bobbin winder is high, the tension is not numbered and there's no bobbin winder guide on the right side bed - I think it's a 15-30.

    Question #1: That cabinet #2 (sorry no picture yet) according to ISMACS, was used for 15-30s, 66-1s, 127s and 115s. I hadn't heard of 115's.... so I looked. It looks awful similar to a 15-30. A google search doesn't show me much. What's the difference?

    Question #2: Is it possible to replace that old, bunch o wires tension, with a say... 15-91 tension set up in it's place?

    Question #3: The face plate on this machine is totally dull silver blank... no scroll, no striations, it's flat-plain. Never seen this before.... what is it? It's in a treadle cabinet, not portable case... so I don't think it's a Navy/Army machine. See picture...

    Note: the pictures are pre clean up. Thanks for any tips/advice/knowledge... kim

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