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gramquilter2 10-23-2011 09:02 AM

Looks like your doing a great job getting it ready to run again.

Linda - K. 10-23-2011 09:12 AM

Glad you were able to clean and save this machine. I cleaned up my Mom's 403 that my heavy smoker sister had for many years. It is quite a job.

miriam 10-23-2011 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Linda - K.
Glad you were able to clean and save this machine. I cleaned up my Mom's 403 that my heavy smoker sister had for many years. It is quite a job.

love the slant-0-matics!!! Smokers can be fun to clean up after - this one is tougher than that for some reason.

miriam 10-23-2011 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by grandmajuki
What a job you have taken on... why are/were you attracted to this machine? I see lots wanting older machines and just wondering...
judy


http://www.quiltingboard.com/t-133897-1.htm
a post I made a while ago.

BarbaraSue 10-23-2011 09:32 AM

Love seeing your old machine become new again.
You are a natural to this re-do stuff.
Do let us see the when she "comes out" to make her debut?
Any name yet?

miriam 10-23-2011 09:38 AM

His name is Mr. Ed short for (Educational or maybe Edsel)

Candace 10-23-2011 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by cherrybsixty
Miriam, good job, I thought Billy's tut were good, but, this is even more clearier. Thank you for sharing. Thanks for keeping is simple and plain to understand. Good luck with it.

Thank you for your kind words. This machine has an internal belt so it would not be a good idea to submerge - I'm doing everything I can to keep that belt from getting any thing on it. I will make another post when I get some more done on this machine. It will be difficult to get the zig zag parts to move freely - I cleaned a LOT of gunk off the externals - I'm kind of thinking heat may loosen the internals of the zig zag. I'm doing kind a no-no by not reading the manual. I should get busy on that. How ever, just getting it clean doesn't require much information. Getting it to move will be another story.

Miriam, it won't zig zag unless you set the stitch width knob...you do know this, right? If it's set on straight stitching and zero width, then no matter if you use the levers, it won't do anything but a straight stitch...

Candace 10-23-2011 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by Candace
Are you sure thats's a 206 x 13 needle, Miriam? Your photo is a bit blurry, but it may not be. Lots of people stuck regular needles in these. Check your bobbin case. If it's all nicked up, chances are that's not the correct needle. Or at least it's really dull probably needs replacing anyway. I order mine online.

I just found the needles!!! I'm doing the happy dance!
http://shop.sew-classic.com/206x13-S...eedles_c46.htm


There are other places carry them too. Not hard to find as some people will state.

miriam 10-23-2011 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Candace

Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by cherrybsixty
Miriam, good job, I thought Billy's tut were good, but, this is even more clearier. Thank you for sharing. Thanks for keeping is simple and plain to understand. Good luck with it.

Thank you for your kind words. This machine has an internal belt so it would not be a good idea to submerge - I'm doing everything I can to keep that belt from getting any thing on it. I will make another post when I get some more done on this machine. It will be difficult to get the zig zag parts to move freely - I cleaned a LOT of gunk off the externals - I'm kind of thinking heat may loosen the internals of the zig zag. I'm doing kind a no-no by not reading the manual. I should get busy on that. How ever, just getting it clean doesn't require much information. Getting it to move will be another story.

Miriam, it won't zig zag unless you set the stitch width knob...you do know this, right? If it's set on straight stitching and zero width, then no matter if you use the levers, it won't do anything but a straight stitch...

You know I didn't read the manual yet. I was afraid I'd get busy playing with him and not get his face washed. Now that he is clean and I have about a week before I can get back I should spend serious time reading that manual. I'm am just afraid it is so gunked up that it is stuck. I don't want to hurt the zig zag parts.

Is yours a male too? I think mine is - you know how they like to make things more complicated than they need to be...

Latrinka 10-23-2011 11:26 AM

WOW! Very nice!

jz 10-23-2011 11:45 AM

Excellent job bringing the machine back to life. Mine wasn't as dirty but still needed a good cleaning and oiling. I still need a belt though. I have about fourteen machines and this newest acquisition is among my favorites. It really looks neat with all the levers and such. Mine is also two-tone. Good to hear another person who appreciates good engineering and interesting machines. Have fun.

bannie 10-23-2011 12:09 PM

Very good job. So the grease pot is behind the bobbin case? I am going to get one of these 319's shortly and am glad you showed a picture about the grease pot. I need to learn all I can Thanks for the Great pictures. bannie :thumbup:

jz 10-23-2011 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by bannie
Very good job. So the grease pot is behind the bobbin case? I am going to get one of these 319's shortly and am glad you showed a picture about the grease pot. I need to learn all I can Thanks for the Great pictures. bannie :thumbup:

I'm not really sure about the grease pot, I'll have to check mine. But the 319W is a really interesting machine. Keep it clean and well lubricated and you should be very happy. Send some pix if you like.

bannie 10-23-2011 12:25 PM

Thanks How often would the cleated belt wear out? Is that a something that rarely happens? bannie

miriam 10-23-2011 12:29 PM

It is to keep the gears lubricated. The pot just had a couple screws holding it on. I pulled them off and cleaned the grease out with a screw driver end - then I painted it with the kerosene and turned it a bit to wash it out good inside where I can't see. Lots of goo came out of there. I painted until it ran clean again. I'll pack it full of grease when I get that far. You all have to stay tuned in a week or two for part 2 of the continuing saga of 'Mr Ed the 319w before his time sewing machine'. I am fascinated by the engineering on the older zig zag machines. Each one is unique isn't it? I'm pretty sure I need to do something to the stitch length regulator - it doesn't travel.

miriam 10-23-2011 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by bannie
Thanks How often would the cleated belt wear out? Is that a something that rarely happens? bannie

I'm crossing my fingers that it NEVER happens Candice says it does. She posted earlier it was a b*tch to replace. You probably have to have the stars align up just so and hold your mouth a certain way and pray a whole bunch as you go. I sure don't want anything to get on it. The rubber belt not so much. I'm toying with the idea of treadling this one it does have a very nice table though.

jz 10-23-2011 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by bannie
Thanks How often would the cleated belt wear out? Is that a something that rarely happens? bannie

I hope it doesn't wear out too quickly. It not something I relish looking for. But as for the rest of the workings just make sure you keep everything nicely lubricated and moist and you should be very happy.

bannie 10-23-2011 12:56 PM

I haven't got it yet so if all is well and works for a while I will cross that bridge when I get there. Want be the first time I bought something I had to fix. LOL If it does break does anyone know where to get a replacement? I read where you could not buy them anymore. Is that so? bannie

Celeste 10-23-2011 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by miriam
It is to keep the gears lubricated. The pot just had a couple screws holding it on. I pulled them off and cleaned the grease out with a screw driver end - then I painted it with the kerosene and turned it a bit to wash it out good inside where I can't see. Lots of goo came out of there. I painted until it ran clean again. I'll pack it full of grease when I get that far. You all have to stay tuned in a week or two for part 2 of the continuing saga of 'Mr Ed the 319w before his time sewing machine'. I am fascinated by the engineering on the older zig zag machines. Each one is unique isn't it? I'm pretty sure I need to do something to the stitch length regulator - it doesn't travel.

Is this about what a greece pot is for? Not heard of that before and now am concerned if I've cleaned my new vintage machines enough.

Candace 10-23-2011 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by bannie
Thanks How often would the cleated belt wear out? Is that a something that rarely happens? bannie

I'm crossing my fingers that it NEVER happens Candice says it does. She posted earlier it was a b*tch to replace. You probably have to have the stars align up just so and hold your mouth a certain way and pray a whole bunch as you go. I sure don't want anything to get on it. The rubber belt not so much. I'm toying with the idea of treadling this one it does have a very nice table though.

Actually, mine didn't wear out. I've got the original one. I made the stupid mistake of removing the gear it was on to try and clean the gear. Getting it back on was not fun at all! I don't recommend it:>

As for your stitch length regulator..lift it up and look inside the machine. Is the bar bent? When I was refurbishing my black 319, I noticed that my stitch length was really small and I couldn't get the 6 to 8 stitches per inch (basting length) even though my stitch length knob was all the way down. I fussed and kept playing with the feed dogs, I retimed it...nothing. Finally, I had an aha moment and looked up inside the machine. Somewhere in its travels it got bumped very hard and the bar was actually bent. I gently(and crossed my fingers not knowing if it would snap), hammered the bar upwards lightly a few times and straightened out the bar. This allowed it to lower all the way down to the 6-8 inch level and it's fixed now:> I think I like refurbishing these machines because they're big puzzle boxes!

pgthom 10-23-2011 02:42 PM

LOL!.....I thought your new girl is like a lot of us, prettier from the front than from the back or bottom! She is really cleaning up nicely as all the gunk comes off. Encouraging to see what is hiding under all that brown. She will be real "purdy" when finished. Bet you will love her too!

miriam 10-23-2011 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Candace

Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by bannie
Thanks How often would the cleated belt wear out? Is that a something that rarely happens? bannie

I'm crossing my fingers that it NEVER happens Candice says it does. She posted earlier it was a b*tch to replace. You probably have to have the stars align up just so and hold your mouth a certain way and pray a whole bunch as you go. I sure don't want anything to get on it. The rubber belt not so much. I'm toying with the idea of treadling this one it does have a very nice table though.

Actually, mine didn't wear out. I've got the original one. I made the stupid mistake of removing the gear it was on to try and clean the gear. Getting it back on was not fun at all! I don't recommend it:>

As for your stitch length regulator..lift it up and look inside the machine. Is the bar bent? When I was refurbishing my black 319, I noticed that my stitch length was really small and I couldn't get the 6 to 8 stitches per inch (basting length) even though my stitch length knob was all the way down. I fussed and kept playing with the feed dogs, I retimed it...nothing. Finally, I had an aha moment and looked up inside the machine. Somewhere in its travels it got bumped very hard and the bar was actually bent. I gently(and crossed my fingers not knowing if it would snap), hammered the bar upwards lightly a few times and straightened out the bar. This allowed it to lower all the way down to the 6-8 inch level and it's fixed now:> I think I like refurbishing these machines because they're big puzzle boxes!

For sure I will keep this in mind! Thanks. Yeah - I'm into the big puzzle boxes!

miriam 10-23-2011 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by jz
Excellent job bringing the machine back to life. Mine wasn't as dirty but still needed a good cleaning and oiling. I still need a belt though. I have about fourteen machines and this newest acquisition is among my favorites. It really looks neat with all the levers and such. Mine is also two-tone. Good to hear another person who appreciates good engineering and interesting machines. Have fun.

Which belt do you need - inside or out?

miriam 10-23-2011 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by bannie
I haven't got it yet so if all is well and works for a while I will cross that bridge when I get there. Want be the first time I bought something I had to fix. LOL If it does break does anyone know where to get a replacement? I read where you could not buy them anymore. Is that so? bannie

I have a Kenmore with a belt like that - I wonder if you could rob one off.

madamekelly 10-23-2011 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by miriam
I still have a lot to do. I didn't even look at the tension or the stitch knob thingy. The black disks on the top turn but they don't make it zig or zag. I'm thinking about using a bit of heat from the hair dryer to see if it will move. I'm reluctant to use any penetrating oil because everything is painted. I didn't take an old tooth brush along so couldn't scrub corners very well. The stitch length doesn't seem to budge. The motor will be torn down and cleaned. Then DH promises to rewire the whole mess. At least the cabinet is pretty...
DH is ok but sore from the wasp bite.

You poor old lady looks like she spent the first part of her life in a home that had oil heat. I lived in a place with oil heat for a while and everything I had ended up looking like this. She's looking good now.

Nettie Phillips 10-23-2011 05:42 PM

Wow, you have done a great job with her.

writerwomen 10-23-2011 08:33 PM

NOTE OF CAUTION - The 319 is a swing needle and take special needles regualr needles will chip and chunk the bobbin carrier

miriam 10-24-2011 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by madamekelly

Originally Posted by miriam
I still have a lot to do. I didn't even look at the tension or the stitch knob thingy. The black disks on the top turn but they don't make it zig or zag. I'm thinking about using a bit of heat from the hair dryer to see if it will move. I'm reluctant to use any penetrating oil because everything is painted. I didn't take an old tooth brush along so couldn't scrub corners very well. The stitch length doesn't seem to budge. The motor will be torn down and cleaned. Then DH promises to rewire the whole mess. At least the cabinet is pretty...
DH is ok but sore from the wasp bite.

You poor old lady looks like she spent the first part of her life in a home that had oil heat. I lived in a place with oil heat for a while and everything I had ended up looking like this. She's looking good now.

You could be right about the oil heat. It seems odd that most of it was on the back. The machine was in the cabinet face down. The cabinet is clean - very lovely cabinet. We named him Mr. Ed. Short for Educational or Edsel.

jz 10-24-2011 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by jz
Excellent job bringing the machine back to life. Mine wasn't as dirty but still needed a good cleaning and oiling. I still need a belt though. I have about fourteen machines and this newest acquisition is among my favorites. It really looks neat with all the levers and such. Mine is also two-tone. Good to hear another person who appreciates good engineering and interesting machines. Have fun.

Which belt do you need - inside or out?

The outside belt. It was cracked and split.

miriam 10-24-2011 08:35 AM

mine split up too. Mr. Ed will for sure need a belt.

jz 10-24-2011 01:29 PM

I'm not too worried about that though since other machines' belts probably can fit since it has an adjustable nut for the bracket that holds the motor. Thank goodness for nuts that you can move with your own hands.

ruthie 10-24-2011 02:53 PM

Nice job so far. Nice old machine, you will get lots and lots of use out of her.

hershery 10-24-2011 07:29 PM

Miriam your machine is cleaning up nicely. Great jop.

miriam 10-24-2011 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by hershery
Miriam your machine is cleaning up nicely. Great jop.

This machine has a long ways to go. The out side is nearly done. The works of it will be part 2 and another story. So far, I know it doesn't zig zag. The tension has not been checked. Then there is the electric unless I put it on a treadle.

I found the bobbin case. It was in the box with the accessories.

jz 10-25-2011 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by hershery
Miriam your machine is cleaning up nicely. Great jop.

This machine has a long ways to go. The out side is nearly done. The works of it will be part 2 and another story. So far, I know it doesn't zig zag. The tension has not been checked. Then there is the electric unless I put it on a treadle.

I found the bobbin case. It was in the box with the accessories.

You should check the electrical connections before considering changing it to a treadle operated machine. That can be a little strenuous on the legs. Sometimes the wires have come undone and/or the wire(s) can be broken. The motors themselves are pretty simple electrical motors and usually don't go bad. Also check all junctions where there can be clogs of some sort like gummy grease or thread etc. And don't force the motor to run while it may be clogged it can burn out like any other electrical motor. Good luck.

miriam 10-25-2011 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by jz

Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by hershery
Miriam your machine is cleaning up nicely. Great jop.

This machine has a long ways to go. The out side is nearly done. The works of it will be part 2 and another story. So far, I know it doesn't zig zag. The tension has not been checked. Then there is the electric unless I put it on a treadle.

I found the bobbin case. It was in the box with the accessories.

You should check the electrical connections before considering changing it to a treadle operated machine. That can be a little strenuous on the legs. Sometimes the wires have come undone and/or the wire(s) can be broken. The motors themselves are pretty simple electrical motors and usually don't go bad. Also check all junctions where there can be clogs of some sort like gummy grease or thread etc. And don't force the motor to run while it may be clogged it can burn out like any other electrical motor. Good luck.

We pulled the wires because they were bare and some of the covering was exposing wires. The motor can be rebuilt - we've done it before. DH plans on all new wires to re-assemble. He's good at that kind of thing. He checks wires on everything I bring home.

jz 10-25-2011 04:50 AM

That's good. Did you send out the motor to be rebuilt or did your husband do it himself? Is it expensive to have the motors rebuilt?

stitchengramie 10-25-2011 04:57 AM

You did a wonderful job of cleaning up the sewing machine. Is that sewing machine considered a heavy duty version.

miriam 10-25-2011 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by jz
That's good. Did you send out the motor to be rebuilt or did your husband do it himself? Is it expensive to have the motors rebuilt?

We rebuild them. DH is very handy with electric.

miriam 10-25-2011 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by stitchengramie
You did a wonderful job of cleaning up the sewing machine. Is that sewing machine considered a heavy duty version.

I would say compared to anything you can buy new it should be heavy duty. How ever I use an industrial for truly heavy duty materials. I've see a bent needle shaft before.


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