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Candace 10-25-2011 06:39 AM

It's only got a .5 AMP motor, so it's a tank but not what I'd consider industrial either...though you know sellers love a good tale:>

Miriam, you made sure to adjust the stitch width and turn on the zig zag lever and still no go?

miriam 10-25-2011 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Candace
It's only got a .5 AMP motor, so it's a tank but not what I'd consider industrial either...though you know sellers love a good tale:>

Miriam, you made sure to adjust the stitch width and turn on the zig zag lever and still no go?

not so far - the arms are still pretty gunked up

jz 10-25-2011 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by jz
That's good. Did you send out the motor to be rebuilt or did your husband do it himself? Is it expensive to have the motors rebuilt?

We rebuild them. DH is very handy with electric.

That's great! Can you tell us how he does that? And what you need to do it?

miriam 10-25-2011 07:39 AM

I just found motor info in an old repair manual. http://parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/15-91.pdf
The motors are an awful lot alike. I think Bennett posted recently some links on the Vintage Sewing Machine Shop

hershery 10-25-2011 07:50 AM

great find, finding the bobbin case.

miriam 10-25-2011 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by hershery
great find, finding the bobbin case.

I needed you here to help me look for it

jz 10-25-2011 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by miriam
I just found motor info in an old repair manual. http://parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/15-91.pdf
The motors are an awful lot alike. I think Bennett posted recently some links on the Vintage Sewing Machine Shop

Thanks! That's a great bit of very helpful information. It really explains things very nicely. Thanks again.

pippa45 10-28-2011 01:28 AM

Cant wait to see it up and running.

bannie 11-02-2011 12:06 PM

I got one just like that today . How did you get the top off? bannie

miriam 11-07-2011 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Candace (Post 4526774)
Are you sure thats's a 206 x 13 needle, Miriam? Your photo is a bit blurry, but it may not be. Lots of people stuck regular needles in these. Check your bobbin case. If it's all nicked up, chances are that's not the correct needle. Or at least it's really dull probably needs replacing anyway. I order mine online.

I'm positively sure that is so not the right needle. I need to order some so I can get this machine sewing. Mr. Ed now zigzags - won't know about stitches until I get some needles and a belt.

miriam 11-07-2011 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by bannie (Post 4618929)
I got one just like that today . How did you get the top off? bannie

Mine had screws in the top - 3 of them and then it comes off - I had to raise the keys and maneuver a bit until it came off What color did you find? I love the color of mine now that the gunk is off. I've worked on it enough to get the rest of the gunk off, move the zig zag but I haven't fooled with the tension other than to clean it a bit. I have a feeling it is going to be a never ending job cleaning up that machine - I keep finding more specks. I'm happy I got a good set of throat plates and accessories. Did I post a manual and a service manual on here?
http://parts.singerco.com/IPsvcManuals/306W25.pdf a link to a user's manual
and a repair manual - this covers all "swing needles" http://parts.singerco.com/IPsvcManuals/306W25.pdf

miriam 11-07-2011 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by miriam (Post 4533429)
It is to keep the gears lubricated. The pot just had a couple screws holding it on. I pulled them off and cleaned the grease out with a screw driver end - then I painted it with the kerosene and turned it a bit to wash it out good inside where I can't see. Lots of goo came out of there. I painted until it ran clean again. I'll pack it full of grease when I get that far. You all have to stay tuned in a week or two for part 2 of the continuing saga of 'Mr Ed the 319w before his time sewing machine'. I am fascinated by the engineering on the older zig zag machines. Each one is unique isn't it? I'm pretty sure I need to do something to the stitch length regulator - it doesn't travel.

The stitch length regulator is really odd, part of it is UNDER the machine. I did get it cleaned up and it works slick as can be now!

DonnaQuilts 11-08-2011 10:25 PM

You did a great service to an old veteran of the sewing wars. You gave it a new lease on life. How does it sew now?
Great thing you did.

miriam 11-08-2011 11:03 PM

I am waiting on an order from Sew Classic - I need the needle and a belt, etc

quiltsRfun 11-08-2011 11:51 PM

Wow! What a transformation. Underneath that layer of grime was a real beauty.

hobo2000 11-09-2011 05:15 AM

Lots of hard work and elbow grease but once you sit down to sew on it, you will
Forget the effort and just enjoy the outcome.

miriam 11-11-2011 02:17 PM

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Bloomin' Iris came over today and we got Mr. Ed's tension apart and put back together. It took 5 tries to get the spring in the right place but we got it. Then we figured out the zig zag adjuster. I'm waiting on some needles from Sew-Classic - then I have to put the needle bar back together. It is made with some kind of little plug in the hole and I haven't quite figured that out yet. Anybody know much? Mr. Ed's cabinet front is really a door. Behind the door is a big hole on the left. To change the bobbin you reach in through the hole in the front and change it. I don't think it can be changed from the slide plate with out being an acrobat with a very small hand. I shot a pic of the tension off and then after we replaced it - let's see if it loads.

Candace 11-11-2011 02:21 PM

Miriam, you can change the bobbin by removing the plate. But, the paint will get chipped over time, doing it that way.

miriam 11-11-2011 02:22 PM

pictures are kind of blurry but we did get it on and the tension seems to do what it should do. Mr Ed still needs some fine clean up. So it will be q tip work for a while - lots of dirty little corners and such. There is still more gunk on the stitch selector slide - seems like even a few specks keep things from moving well.

miriam 11-11-2011 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Candace (Post 4667327)
Miriam, you can change the bobbin by removing the plate. But, the paint will get chipped over time, doing it that way.

I can see that it could knock off paint. The slide plate lifts at the round end - there is a little pin holding it in place - then it slides out. I've not seen anything like it. This machine came with 3 plates. A zigzag plate, a single hole and a free motion/darning plate!

miriam 11-11-2011 02:32 PM

Iris and I also looked at the bobbin case. Candace, you were right someone was using the wrong needle and the bobbin case is all torn up. We worked on the burrs a bit - it is going to take more than I was able to do with what was on hand. The needle plate was a bit torn up as well. I also noticed the rod the tension goes on is not quite horizontal so one day will have to tackle that. Then we looked at the electric parts - Iris thinks I need to scrap them & put Mr. Ed in a treadle. He does have a VERY fine cabinet though - one of the best I have ever seen for an electric.... I wonder if a hand crank would go on there?

mpeters1200 11-12-2011 09:51 AM

Wow Miriam, that was awesome. The pictures really make sense. Thank you! Another thread to bookmark now! I wonder if I can still pickup wifi from my garage when I get ready to clean mom's machine. I think that's what I'm going to name her "mom's".

miriam 11-13-2011 11:33 PM

Iris and I worked cleaning on Mr. Ed's tension. The 319 user's manual was incorrect on putting the tension back together - at least we kept it in order when we pulled it off - it is still crooked though and that will drive me nuts. I looked up more information so we can set it in right - of course, I haven't done it yet - but I like to look up how to so I can get it back together. Anyway here is some information on tensions. http://vssmb.blogspot.com/2011/07/do...sion.html#more look under #2 refurbishing - tension mechanism then look for a tension that looks like your machine's tension. This blog was helpful as well http://vssmb.blogspot.com/

Candace 11-14-2011 07:21 AM

Miriam, you sure it's incorrect? The 319 tension has that flat disc in the middle, I believe for twin needle stitching.

miriam 11-14-2011 07:43 AM

It is that way in the manual but when we took it apart that flat piece was in the back. It could be for twin needles but what does the whole mess rest on? Have you got any idea how to get the needle holder thingy back together?

Candace 11-14-2011 07:45 AM

PM me with your e-mail addy. I'll try to get you a picture today. I've taken both of mine apart for cleaning and reassembly.

traumaRN 11-14-2011 08:10 AM

Thanks so much for showing us the "evolution of a vintage machine". She looks great now. I'm sure once she gets her motor she will run forever.

miriam 11-14-2011 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Candace (Post 4677943)
PM me with your e-mail addy. I'll try to get you a picture today. I've taken both of mine apart for cleaning and reassembly.

one more question. How far up the shank does it go? I don't see a specific spot for it. I'm thinking this most probably is going to involve some timing at some point.

miriam 11-14-2011 04:14 PM

Ok - Candace says the correct needles are shorter than average needles. Someone tried to raise the needle holder higher up the shaft and use regular needles. No wonder the bobbin case is so chewed up. I can see that someone fooled with the tension so Iris and I are going to have to do it again - maybe this time get the shaft straightened out. Iris - all that work was for practice. DH is such an enabler - he stopped up the 2 inch gap under the old door and put bubble wrap over it so we stay warmer out there. Then he put a door knob on the other door and insulated the holes. Then he found a heater. Then he found a piece of plywood for me to use on top of old sewing table legs - we swiped the top to put the 401g in the treadle.

Candace 11-14-2011 06:36 PM

Here's a perfect link and shows how the 206 x 13 needle compares to regular needles. http://sewing-machines.blogspot.com/...n-needles.html

miriam 11-19-2011 03:44 PM

Wow - thanks for the needle info Candace - I hope nobody messed with the timing on that machine. I got my order for needles but I haven't gotten it reassembled yet. (We worked on a Japanese 15 clone yesterday - I was amazed at how quickly that one cleaned up and running beautifully. It is a very simple machine so not so much to do. Oh and we worked on a Singer FW and a Singer 99 and another 15 clone and we looked over an old electric Domestic - my lips are sealed on that one until I can do it justice. AND we played with a hand crank! My camera is dead so I am waiting on some pics from Iris or Hannah. Candace I have located some disks for the Singer 319 - I'll do the happy dance when I actually have them in my hot little hands.

miriam 11-19-2011 03:59 PM

Not all machines come as gunked up as my Singer 319. Iris, Hannah and I did clean up a 15 clone very quickly yesterday. That machine was totally stuck - nothing moved. It didn't have a huge layer of oil but it had some. It didn't have a lot of rust but it had some. We were able to un-stick the machine with just a drop or two of Tri-flow on all the moving parts. We started at the bottom of the machine and worked our way everywhere. I was amazed at how much a drop of Tri-flo could do. We took apart the bobbin area - it was really easy, cleaned up lint, cleaned gunk off and polished rust off chrome parts with chrome cleaner and barkeeper's friend. Then we reassembled that bobbin area. Then we took off the nose plate and cleaned it up. We just did one part at a time and had it done in a short time. There is some oil left on the machine but it will wait until a nice day in the spring.

Candace 11-19-2011 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by miriam (Post 4699247)
Wow - thanks for the needle info Candace - I hope nobody messed with the timing on that machine. I got my order for needles but I haven't gotten it reassembled yet. (We worked on a Japanese 15 clone yesterday - I was amazed at how quickly that one cleaned up and running beautifully. It is a very simple machine so not so much to do. Oh and we worked on a Singer FW and a Singer 99 and another 15 clone and we looked over an old electric Domestic - my lips are sealed on that one until I can do it justice. AND we played with a hand crank! My camera is dead so I am waiting on some pics from Iris or Hannah. Candace I have located some disks for the Singer 319 - I'll do the happy dance when I actually have them in my hot little hands.

Cool, you'll have lots of fun with them.

cheri stonespinner 11-24-2011 08:43 AM

My first sewing machine I named 'Mishka'. A lady I took care of said it means "little bear' in Russian". He is a bear to lift out of the cabinet and carry up the basement stairs for surviceing. He is a Kenmore with all metal parts {heavy}! He also is tough as a bear when it comes to sewing through jeans.

miriam 12-03-2011 07:17 AM

I have been hassling with the needle bar clamp lately. I have already spent well over an hour messing with it. If anybody has any tips on putting it back together I sure would love to know what it is. I've been searching info on the timing/needle as well. I'll post info one of these days. Until I get the needle bar clamp back together I'm can't do anything else on this machine. It is no wonder Singer didn't make real many of these - I bet the repair men invented whole new languages of words for that needle bar clamp.

Candace 12-08-2011 07:38 PM

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I hope these pictures help those who've disassembled their needle clamp mechanism and can't get it back together. Now I'm an old pro at it, but luckily, the first time I did it, I had a second 319 there to cheat off of!

The first photo is of the side clamp showing the screw. This comes out first. Don't lose it! Right, Miriam? ;>

Candace 12-08-2011 07:40 PM

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This is looking straight on at the assembly.

Candace 12-08-2011 07:41 PM

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When you remove the side screw, this is what it will look like.

Candace 12-08-2011 07:42 PM

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When you remove the clamp, there is a tiny piece inside. Note the location and orientation of the piece because it fits back in as is!

Candace 12-08-2011 07:43 PM

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Another shot of it.


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