You know what marsye - I take total offense to your comments. I suffer from depression and it is extremely difficult. If you don't know what you are talking about - then BE QUIET!!!! And the more you speak the worse you get. I have been staying away from this board more and more because of this very thing. Is this not a QUILTING board? Is this not supposed to be a place to discuss tips, techniques, our projects with others? When did it become a place for narrow minded ignorance?