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03-18-2012, 12:46 PM
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The problem with that for me, is the fabric and stitching is obscured by a regular foot I do a lot of detailed FMQ and I have to see the lines very well and have complete control of the quilt sandwich. Also, the foot pressure can only be released so far. I tried it like that on the 319 and it was a no go. Of course, your mileage will vary with different machines.
03-18-2012, 12:53 PM
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The problem with that for me, is the fabric and stitching is obscured by a regular foot I do a lot of detailed FMQ and I have to see the lines very well and have complete control of the quilt sandwich. Also, the foot pressure can only be released so far. I tried it like that on the 319 and it was a no go. Of course, your mileage will vary with different machines.
I had forgotten this gal. While looking through information on FMQ with treadle, I came across it today.
First time I saw this video, I was like this gal moves quickly. Today while watching the video, it was what foot is she using.
03-18-2012, 12:54 PM
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EUREKA!!!! Cathy, you are brilliant. That spring needle you pictured is the absolutely BEST FMQ tool for the 319 I've found. Here's the thing. I've had it forever and haven't used it with the 319 because it never dawned on me that the needle could be removed and replaced. I had assumed it was factory made to be replaced with the needle, if and when it was dull or broken. So, I had basically counted it out considering the 319 takes specialty 206 x 13 needles. When you mentioned that you thought other needles could be inserted that really got me motivated.
First, I removed the spring using my fingernail. I inserted the 206 size 12 needle and it worked, but not great. I was getting some skipped stitches. So, I tried the size 14 and it was a bit harder to install in the spring. As you can see by the photo the length of the needle is different and it took me a while to get the spring to sit on the sweet spot of the needle and yet to allow it to insert fully into the needle holder clamp. But, after a minute or two of playing with it, I got it just right in the spring and did the best FMQ ever on the 319! I'm so exicited to have this machine as an option. I was using junk thread so hope to have better results using quality thread;> I FMQ a lot and spend countless hours doing so. So...having machines that do a good job with it is very important to me.
So, thanks Cathy for giving me this option as it's great. I'm going to use the spring attachment I received from you on my Rotary 77.
I would suggest that anyone interested in FMQ on their 319 to buy one of these spring needles!
First, I removed the spring using my fingernail. I inserted the 206 size 12 needle and it worked, but not great. I was getting some skipped stitches. So, I tried the size 14 and it was a bit harder to install in the spring. As you can see by the photo the length of the needle is different and it took me a while to get the spring to sit on the sweet spot of the needle and yet to allow it to insert fully into the needle holder clamp. But, after a minute or two of playing with it, I got it just right in the spring and did the best FMQ ever on the 319! I'm so exicited to have this machine as an option. I was using junk thread so hope to have better results using quality thread;> I FMQ a lot and spend countless hours doing so. So...having machines that do a good job with it is very important to me.
So, thanks Cathy for giving me this option as it's great. I'm going to use the spring attachment I received from you on my Rotary 77.
I would suggest that anyone interested in FMQ on their 319 to buy one of these spring needles!
03-18-2012, 01:20 PM
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Candace,
Fantastic! Glad that the spring needle works for you.
I just tried another style darning spring on my White Rotary, works but the machine doesn't like it much. Probably need to have "the discussion" with my machine. You know the "you can easily become a parts machine" talk.
Or I could blame the operator and practice more. <GGG>
I noticed on the picture that you posted the spring is over the needle clamp post. Slide (stretch) it over a little to the right to sit on the screw. That is one of the things that Monica did to make it work better.
Cathy
The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip. The top of the shank to the eye is the same.
Fantastic! Glad that the spring needle works for you.
I just tried another style darning spring on my White Rotary, works but the machine doesn't like it much. Probably need to have "the discussion" with my machine. You know the "you can easily become a parts machine" talk.
Or I could blame the operator and practice more. <GGG>
I noticed on the picture that you posted the spring is over the needle clamp post. Slide (stretch) it over a little to the right to sit on the screw. That is one of the things that Monica did to make it work better.
Cathy
The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip. The top of the shank to the eye is the same.
EUREKA!!!! Cathy, you are brilliant. That spring needle you pictured is the absolutely BEST FMQ tool for the 319 I've found. Here's the thing. I've had it forever and haven't used it with the 319 because it never dawned on me that the needle could be removed and replaced. I had assumed it was factory made to be replaced with the needle, if and when it was dull or broken. So, I had basically counted it out considering the 319 takes specialty 206 x 13 needles. When you mentioned that you thought other needles could be inserted that really got me motivated.
First, I removed the spring using my fingernail. I inserted the 206 size 12 needle and it worked, but not great. I was getting some skipped stitches. So, I tried the size 14 and it was a bit harder to install in the spring. As you can see by the photo the length of the needle is different and it took me a while to get the spring to sit on the sweet spot of the needle and yet to allow it to insert fully into the needle holder clamp. But, after a minute or two of playing with it, I got it just right in the spring and did the best FMQ ever on the 319! I'm so exicited to have this machine as an option. I was using junk thread so hope to have better results using quality thread;> I FMQ a lot and spend countless hours doing so. So...having machines that do a good job with it is very important to me.
So, thanks Cathy for giving me this option as it's great. I'm going to use the spring attachment I received from you on my Rotary 77.
I would suggest that anyone interested in FMQ on their 319 to buy one of these spring needles!
First, I removed the spring using my fingernail. I inserted the 206 size 12 needle and it worked, but not great. I was getting some skipped stitches. So, I tried the size 14 and it was a bit harder to install in the spring. As you can see by the photo the length of the needle is different and it took me a while to get the spring to sit on the sweet spot of the needle and yet to allow it to insert fully into the needle holder clamp. But, after a minute or two of playing with it, I got it just right in the spring and did the best FMQ ever on the 319! I'm so exicited to have this machine as an option. I was using junk thread so hope to have better results using quality thread;> I FMQ a lot and spend countless hours doing so. So...having machines that do a good job with it is very important to me.
So, thanks Cathy for giving me this option as it's great. I'm going to use the spring attachment I received from you on my Rotary 77.
I would suggest that anyone interested in FMQ on their 319 to buy one of these spring needles!
03-18-2012, 01:29 PM
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Cathy:
The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip??? The top of the shank to the eye is the same??? So can the 15x1 be modified?
The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip??? The top of the shank to the eye is the same??? So can the 15x1 be modified?
03-18-2012, 01:30 PM
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This wasn't meant as a suggestion on what foot to use; this was meant as WOW take a look at the foot.
I had forgotten this gal. While looking through information on FMQ with treadle, I came across it today.
First time I saw this video, I was like this gal moves quickly. Today while watching the video, it was what foot is she using.
I had forgotten this gal. While looking through information on FMQ with treadle, I came across it today.
First time I saw this video, I was like this gal moves quickly. Today while watching the video, it was what foot is she using.
03-18-2012, 01:33 PM
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03-18-2012, 02:13 PM
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stop the video - her finger is below that thing - it is a finger guard - industrial type. http://www.universalsewing.com/tek9....criteria=520.1 there are some like that on here.
03-18-2012, 02:43 PM
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Miriam,
The top of the shank to the eye is the timing length and yes it is the same. But, the 15x1's longer tip will still be in the fabric (especially with thicker fabrics) when the feeddogs start moving and this will affect the tension and stitching. It can also hit the bobbin case. It is always better to use the correct needle. Please don't let anyone talk you into retiming the 206 series to take a regular needle. I know that this can be a controversial subject.
The tip could be shortened and resharpened, but I would not recommend it. It would be very difficult to make the reshaped tip just like the original such as shape, sharpness, in line with the long axis of the needle, etc.
Cathy
The top of the shank to the eye is the timing length and yes it is the same. But, the 15x1's longer tip will still be in the fabric (especially with thicker fabrics) when the feeddogs start moving and this will affect the tension and stitching. It can also hit the bobbin case. It is always better to use the correct needle. Please don't let anyone talk you into retiming the 206 series to take a regular needle. I know that this can be a controversial subject.
The tip could be shortened and resharpened, but I would not recommend it. It would be very difficult to make the reshaped tip just like the original such as shape, sharpness, in line with the long axis of the needle, etc.
Cathy
03-18-2012, 03:28 PM
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The difference in the 206 x 13's size 12 and size 14 needles (and what was a bit tricky) is that the shank of the size 14 is a bit longer than the 12 and the needle length below the eye is also a smidge longer. Both of the above are 206 x 13's. The left is the 14, the right is the size 12. I was showing this to let you all see how the spring will fit a bit differently around the 14 needle.
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