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    221/301 Card Tables

    Are the FW and 301 card tables interchangable? I have a FW and case for my granddaughter and am looking for a card table she can also put a table cloth over and use as a kitchen table when she's not sewing.

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    Scroll down to see all card tables http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_..._cabinets.html

    The short bed 301 table, only fits the 301, 401 and 500 series machines.

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    Thanks, Candace. I can't get the ismacs site on my work machine. They have it blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArizonaKAT View Post
    Are the FW and 301 card tables interchangable? I have a FW and case for my granddaughter and am looking for a card table she can also put a table cloth over and use as a kitchen table when she's not sewing.
    Oh ArizonaKAT, I don't know how close you are to Sedona, AZ. But on Ebay there is a 301 card table for $14.99, but the kicker is that the shipping is over $120. Even if I have it shipped to my brother in Mesa, AZ. If you are near there, you should go and grab it! I would love to have it but am to far away. Bidding ends tomorrow evening . . .


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/221204740300...84.m1423.l2649

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerQuilts View Post
    Oh ArizonaKAT, I don't know how close you are to Sedona, AZ. But on Ebay there is a 301 card table for $14.99, but the kicker is that the shipping is over $120. Even if I have it shipped to my brother in Mesa, AZ. If you are near there, you should go and grab it! I would love to have it but am to far away. Bidding ends tomorrow evening . . .


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/221204740300...84.m1423.l2649

    I suspect the seller would not allow local pickup. The outrageous shipping is to try to avoid ebay fees and is against the rules.

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    No the tables are not interchangeable - at least not the longbed 301 table and the featherweight. The longbed 301 table does not have brackets to hold the machine. instead the machine rests on a lip of wood in the cut out opening. The featherweight card table must have the brackets under the opeining in order to hold the featherweight.

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    I am glad you asked this. I was wondering the same thing.

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    Lifetime table

    Go to lifetime.com and look at the study table. Very inexpensive, adjustable height and comfortable to sit at. I got one yesterday to take for Open Quilt and think it will be great The URl is Buylifetime.com
    Last edited by IBQUILTIN; 03-28-2013 at 08:56 AM. Reason: forgot the URL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    I suspect the seller would not allow local pickup. The outrageous shipping is to try to avoid ebay fees and is against the rules.
    Sedona is a ways from me, but a nice day trip. I put in a bid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArizonaKAT View Post
    Sedona is a ways from me, but a nice day trip. I put in a bid.
    I hope you win it!

    (and can pick it up)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArizonaKAT View Post
    Sedona is a ways from me, but a nice day trip. I put in a bid.
    I won the table for 14.99. It says its in Sedona but the seller info is from MN. I emailed the seller requesting pickup. We'll see what happens.

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    Well that's a little misleading isn't it?
    Hope it's really in Sedona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArizonaKAT View Post
    I won the table for 14.99. It says its in Sedona but the seller info is from MN. I emailed the seller requesting pickup. We'll see what happens.
    If it's not listed as pickup allowed in the auction, be very prepared to battle. Most sellers don't allow local pick up. These questions are typically supposed to be asked before the auction is bid on...you will likely have to argue with ebay. Though, you shouldn't have any problems getting out of it as the minute the ebay rep sees the shipping costs.

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    Got an email back. She is in Sedona right now. I can pick up somewhere in a public place (which is fine with me), but when I emailed her back and asked her to adjust the price so I can pay, I didn't get any response.

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    IMHO with a large item like that, and the shipping fee over $120, the seller should have expected only a pickup. I wonder if that includes a huge "handling fee"?
    That's likely why there were no other bidders. In any case, that's a steal for $14.99!!!

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    Yeah, I'm running into problems. She's busy on weekends (knows I can't come on week days), she wants me to pay sales tax (what?) and she wants me to pay her directly without going through Ebay . . . a definite can't do.

    At this point, I'm tempted to take a vacation day and go get the table, just so this aution doesn't fall through.

    I think she's trying to back out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerQuilts View Post
    IMHO with a large item like that, and the shipping fee over $120, the seller should have expected only a pickup. I wonder if that includes a huge "handling fee"?
    That's likely why there were no other bidders. In any case, that's a steal for $14.99!!!
    I just won a FW table and it came for NY with shipping at $60.00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArizonaKAT View Post
    Yeah, I'm running into problems. She's busy on weekends (knows I can't come on week days), she wants me to pay sales tax (what?) and she wants me to pay her directly without going through Ebay . . . a definite can't do.

    At this point, I'm tempted to take a vacation day and go get the table, just so this aution doesn't fall through.

    I think she's trying to back out.
    To go through ebay she'd have to charge the shipping costs per the auction, as it's all done automatically via ebay and paypal. And paying sales tax is not uncommon at all, though that wasn't specified in the auction. I would just tell her you'd pay her cash when you pick it up. Honestly, did you expect the seller to be good with this? I would never expect to be able to pick up the item without asking first and getting it in writing. Especially from a shady listing to begin with... Shady to me is trouble and I steer clear.
    Last edited by Candace; 03-29-2013 at 02:28 PM.

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    They can adjust the shipping costs on EBay, I have had sellers do that for me when I bought multiple items. I also bid on a Featherweight and picked it up locally and the seller didn't charge the shipping fees. He just adjusted it on EBay. I would go and pick it up but insist on a receipt for your payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljfox View Post
    They can adjust the shipping costs on EBay, I have had sellers do that for me when I bought multiple items. I also bid on a Featherweight and picked it up locally and the seller didn't charge the shipping fees. He just adjusted it on EBay. I would go and pick it up but insist on a receipt for your payment.
    True, but that's if the seller wants to do this. This seller for sure doesn't! Her planned profit was coming from trying to avoid ebay fees. I would have reported the auction to ebay.

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    Definitely report the seller to EBay for investigation. There's something very wrong.

    I won a sewing machine on EBay for a pittance, and the seller promised to send an invoice with shipping in 3 days. On day 4 I sent an email and was told by the seller I had backed out and the machine had already been relisted for much more!!!! I requested a copy of the supposed final invoice I never received and the purported notice from EBay that I had backed out- and they didn't exist. I made sure all contact was through EBay- none on my personal email. Finally received the machine and the attachment tin was damaged and the footplate was missing! I sent a neutral email asking for it and mysteriously it was "found". Seller had an excellent rating- apparently just perturbed the machine only had a few bids. This wasn't a valuable machine- just a sentimental one for me. Not worth the hassle but it was the principle. Your seller sounds very deceptive from the outset. Hope you get your table!

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    Report the seller. Keep all your emails from her to support your claim. The auction should have been reported immediately for shipping fee gouging which, as Candace said, is against the rules.

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    cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321100579961
    Just saw the table was relisted. Guess the deal fell through.

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    To clear up a couple of things about Ebay:

    At least a year ago, Ebay started charging their final value commision fees on the combined total of the ending auction price and the shipping. They said that was to draw bids and help the seller (what kind of rationale is that?) Actually I think the reason was to reduce the use of high shipping fees by the seller, as well as to increase revenue for Ebay. In the past there were sellers who didn't care if they sold something for 99 cents, because they charged extremely high shipping and avoided paying Ebay much commission. That strategy doesn't work as well now.

    The seller lists in their auction whether or not they will accept "pick up" by the winner by simply checking a box when they post it. If the auction doesn't state that pick-up is an option, I can't see what recourse a buyer has if the seller doesn't want to do it. Sometimes "pick up" is inconvenient for the seller, or they are concerned about safety and privacy. However, I can't imagine anything more inconvenient than packing and shipping a card table! It is possible that they are expecting to use a professional packer/shipper for the task.

    Ebay does have the opportunity for buyers to report shipping prices that are out of line like this appears to be. In this case the seller may be able to justify the cost. It could be like shipping a painting -- double boxing and padding with the cost of labor additional. If they can produce a professional shipping estimate to Ebay, they may be off the hook.

    I hope you get this resolved and are able to get the table. Maybe a compromise would work. The seller definitely does have the option of reducing or eliminating shipping charges on the invoice to the buyer. And the invoice that the buyer actually pays with is what is used to calculate the seller's commission fees due to Ebay.

    Good luck!

    Dayle
    Last edited by Daylesewblessed; 04-02-2013 at 04:09 AM.

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    Well, here's my sad story. The seller agreed to pick up but started complaining immediately about schedule times. I couldn't pin her down to a convenient time or place. I even suggested the parking lot of the post office where she would have to take it to ship.

    We also discussed shipping prices. I went on USPS site and calculated the shipping prices for the weight and dimensions (even insurance for the $14.99). It came to around $66.00 if I went to the PO and $35.00 if I ordered the shipping online.

    This really set the seller off. She offered to cancel the order which I gracefully accepted . . . because she scared me :-(

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