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    Old 02-27-2018, 08:20 AM
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    I was traveling with others this weekend and I wasn't sure I was going to be able to grab this Adler. But it turned out that the 3 others in the car wanted to see a woman who lived 2 blocks away. Not bad when we started 100 + miles away.

    Anyway, I now have a model 87, Machine runs and the jabber thingy moves up and down and zig zags.

    The check spring for the thread under that take up arm is not working and is in two pieces. On other machines I know this would be broken. Not sure on this beastie. Anyone know?

    Also, the red at the tension disc is on of two felt pads between the back of the discs and other parts. Isn't that interesting?
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    That's the type of machine on the top of my wish list. I have an eye out for an early cast iron zigzagger in general, so not entirely model or brands specific, but available bobbin type and 15x1 needle would be nice. The check spring needs a bit of investigation, a bit of a tricky one. Do you have any idea of it's age? I once came a cross some info on the first domestic zigzagger, possibly at least. It was a Munldos Victoria and if I remember correctly; introduced in the 1920s. It became very popular, and by the 1930s a few other brands had developed theirs.
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    I can't find much info on the Adler. thoughts are it was made in the 30s or prewar 40s. I was lucky enough to get an accessory box that held a few bobbins. I understand they are nearly as valuable as the head.

    Machine might use an Industrial 16 x 231, but they are round shank. Boo.[ATTACH=CONFIG]589903[/ATTACH]
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    Oooohh, I found this video, nicest zigzag noise, smooth and light running. I easily adjustet to this needle type for my Phoenix, and round shank it's that big a deal; just remember which way the machine threads and the side with groove is where it threads from. You might ask the youtube guy about the check spring, he has a lot on vintage machines.
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    Nice. Always nice to get an accessory tin. Are the discs inseparable like the W&W 9? Reminds me a bit of those (which I don't have) but also like my straight stitch Junker & Ruh.

    I think this might be for industrial machines, but maybe there is something on http://sew24.blogspot.de/p/downloads.html

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    mickey 2, I think I will check with the video guy. He does seem to know what he is talking about.[ATTACH=CONFIG]589979[/ATTACH]

    Janey, they do indeed look a lot like my W and W 9 bobbins. But all bits are at Iris's and I am not. and, of course, a few random bobbins came in the box, also. Not to worry, I probably have something they will fir.
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    The case cover is a swing down piece. [ATTACH=CONFIG]589981[/ATTACH]
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    Originally Posted by leonf
    The case cover is a swing down piece.
    Yep, that is similar to Junker & Ruh. Here is mine from the end when I got it cleaned up. It has a spring that you can see on the left side. It also has felt on the inside the part that flips down.

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    The Junker has felt on both sides of the disc (that looks like two discs) of the Tension Pulley per when I took it apart.

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    I didn't take the lower thread guide (the one that has check spring) so can't help with that.

    I also sent you an email to address for Colorado get-together.

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    I went to a local industrial sewing machine parts place today and got some needles for my Junker. Fortunately, it had a complete rusty needle. I had cleaned it up and was able to make some stitches. I had taken it with me and said I want some needles like this one. I will probably go back and get some more in different sizes, now that I know they will work with the Junker. On the package of ten, it has DBx1, 1738 and 12/80 (this last is the size of needle). On the receipt that they printed out for me it says 16x257.

    Also, I forgot to mention (maybe because I forgot it in the first place), that the hand wheel turns toward the back (clockwise) - otherwise it won't pick up the bobbin thread LOL. On the Junker, when the stitch length lever is down, it is forward and further down is longer stitch. To reverse the stitch, the lever goes up.

    Oh, while I was at the industrial place I was just looking and saw some check springs that had the U-type bend but I don't know if they would work with either the Adler 87 or the Junker, but the sure looked to be the same shape.

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    I have been bit by that wheel rotation. Spent a whole day trying to get a machine to sew that I didn't
    have a book for and couldn't get it to do anything but jam. Finally found a manual for it and discovered
    the wheel rotated away from you. Until then I didn't know they made any that way.
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