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Thread: Meet Monty, the new rotary boy!

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    Meet Monty, the new rotary boy!

    Monty was a CL find, and necessitated both an hour's drive through evening traffic and a meetup in the Bass Pro parking lot for the handover. (Bass Pro, so that Husband, who drove, could be suitably rewarded for the driving )

    Anyway. Monty is a Montgomery Ward Supreme Reversible Rotary, circa mid-40's, I think. Other than the Imperial Kenmore, this is the coolest ugly sewing machine I think I've ever seen. As soon as I know they existed, I had to have one. It took awhile, but I finally found one!

    Monty is a friction drive, something I seem to have a growing herd of. Not especially strong sewers, but really cool mechanically. He was in desperate need of a rewire, and he had to be retimed, but other than that, he was amazingly clean inside and out.

    About the retiming... Everything I know about Monty comes from this guy (http://www.doubleveil.net/zssmp/streamliner.htm). He says it was meant to take a 20x1 needle. I don't buy it. I tried one and with the needle all the way down, the eye was still well above the hook-never went down to it, let alone past it. And that was the factory setting-the needle bar is pinned in place. (I had to take the pin screw out to reset it for 15x1.) All the manual says is be sure to specify Eldredge needle, and use a size suitable for the weight of fabric, etc. Nothing that would translate to an actual, modern size. So, anyone got any ideas about what size needle this would take, if not 20x1?

    It's got some other cool things, too. As you can see, the face plate is completely shrouded by the needle bar cover. (Husband calls it the nose cone.) The little bare contact points above the light *are* the light switch; open and and the light is off, close it and it comes on. It's got a nifty little hoobie on the spool pin to keep the spool in place-it just clicks back and forth. Also, the entire spool pin barrel screws out for access to the innards. The threading is the weirdest I've ever seen. And the thread doesn't go around the tension, just down through the edge of it!

    And it came with a gorgeous table. The pedal was on about 8" of wire and meant to be used as a knee controller, but when I rewired it, I made it into a foot controller. It also came with the manual, six bobbins, a top-clamp zipper foot and a pack of old needles that don't fit. I'd sort of be interested to find more accessories to go with it, but no luck so far. I'd also like to find a bentwood drawer to replace the one that's broken.

    eta: Funny the things you only notice in pictures-Monty needs a bobbin winding tire. Oops!
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    It's really neat the differences in sewing machine styles you see in the vintage ones. When I see super streamlined designs like this, it seems very strange since I'm used to all kinds of little thing-a-ma-bobs and doo-dads sticking out all over the machine. Neat find!
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    It reminds me of those old 50's robot movies! Definitely different, and definitely cool. The table is absolutely beautiful! I think your Monty married out of his class, but they look happy together. Wonderful that you can do such work on him yourself.

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    Reminds me of the old 30s -40s streamlined steam locomotives.

    Attachments and accessories for Kenmore, White, and some Nationals will fit it.

    Joe

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    You are so right Joe, it does. Really cool.

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    Thanks for posting. I've never seen one where the tension dial was inside the face plate. Great find.

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    Cool machine. Great find.
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    Monty is magnificent and masculine. Such a great looking sewing machine. His work clothes are very nice and well taken care of. What did hubby get a Bass Pro as his reward?
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    WOW! What a handsome guy dressed in brown Have fun!!!!

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    I see 1930s art; like what is found at RCA building in New York, Noguchi works.

    The threading on this is like my National Two Spools, just that your Monty has a cover. My Two Spools takes a 15x1, and if I remember correctly is the only National machine that does. All the other Nationals use 20x1 needle.

    Cool looking for an ugly machine!! Nice find! Enjoy!!!

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    Futuristic looking for its era! Love the finish on it!
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    Monty is neat! I would love to find one like him. Someday! I had seen a vintage Kenmore at the local thrift store and it has been growing on me, another oldie with very basic fat looking head but something different. Almost looks like a torpedo. Hope you have happy stitching ahead with Monty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelrox View Post
    Monty is neat! I would love to find one like him. Someday! I had seen a vintage Kenmore at the local thrift store and it has been growing on me, another oldie with very basic fat looking head but something different. Almost looks like a torpedo. Hope you have happy stitching ahead with Monty.
    If the Kenmore you saw looks this (best picture I could find) http://www.instappraisal.com/antique...-number-117591 then it's an Imperial Kenmore, which will be my next ugly/cool acquisition. I though the one I has was, but on further review, it isn't. *sad sigh* It's still pretty ugly/cool on its own, though. They remind me of old bombers!
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    Great find. Monty is very handsome and I am sure he will charm you once you are sewing with him.
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    I like Monty! About a year+ ago I passed one up due to his location and our schedule. But, I really love him... from afar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsBoats View Post
    Monty was a CL find, and necessitated both an hour's drive through evening traffic and a meetup in the Bass Pro parking lot for the handover. (Bass Pro, so that Husband, who drove, could be suitably rewarded for the driving )

    Anyway. Monty is a Montgomery Ward Supreme Reversible Rotary, circa mid-40's, I think. Other than the Imperial Kenmore, this is the coolest ugly sewing machine I think I've ever seen. As soon as I know they existed, I had to have one. It took awhile, but I finally found one!

    Monty is a friction drive, something I seem to have a growing herd of. Not especially strong sewers, but really cool mechanically. He was in desperate need of a rewire, and he had to be retimed, but other than that, he was amazingly clean inside and out.

    About the retiming... Everything I know about Monty comes from this guy (http://www.doubleveil.net/zssmp/streamliner.htm). He says it was meant to take a 20x1 needle. I don't buy it. I tried one and with the needle all the way down, the eye was still well above the hook-never went down to it, let alone past it. And that was the factory setting-the needle bar is pinned in place. (I had to take the pin screw out to reset it for 15x1.) All the manual says is be sure to specify Eldredge needle, and use a size suitable for the weight of fabric, etc. Nothing that would translate to an actual, modern size. So, anyone got any ideas about what size needle this would take, if not 20x1?

    It's got some other cool things, too. As you can see, the face plate is completely shrouded by the needle bar cover. (Husband calls it the nose cone.) The little bare contact points above the light *are* the light switch; open and and the light is off, close it and it comes on. It's got a nifty little hoobie on the spool pin to keep the spool in place-it just clicks back and forth. Also, the entire spool pin barrel screws out for access to the innards. The threading is the weirdest I've ever seen. And the thread doesn't go around the tension, just down through the edge of it!

    And it came with a gorgeous table. The pedal was on about 8" of wire and meant to be used as a knee controller, but when I rewired it, I made it into a foot controller. It also came with the manual, six bobbins, a top-clamp zipper foot and a pack of old needles that don't fit. I'd sort of be interested to find more accessories to go with it, but no luck so far. I'd also like to find a bentwood drawer to replace the one that's broken.

    eta: Funny the things you only notice in pictures-Monty needs a bobbin winding tire. Oops!
    Can you please tell me what kind/size bobbin Monty takes because I have his twin and no bobbins. I've located a bobbin case (thank you, Miriam) but still need bobbins. TIA

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    I have the same machine in the same cabinet! I also have a White rotary. The feet/attachments, etc. are NOT interchangeable! The needle holes in the feet etc. don't line up (about 1/8" different).

    A lot of people (including myself...til I tried 'em!) think that top (some people call them bottom) clamping feet are pretty much all alike. The feet from my Reversew & the MW are interchangeable. And White & Kenmore (& I THINK Domestic) will interchange with each other. But the feet from my MW & my White don't.

    The part # in the manual for the bobbins is R221. I measured one & it's 13/16th across X 5/16th thick.

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    They have the R221 bobbins at the Sewing Machine 221 Sale website...I just found 'em! 5 for $9.95. Just look in the "rotary parts" section.

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    one of the kewlest machines ever. Love it.
    Congrats and we need a report on how he sews.

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    Cool machine and the deco cabinet is AWESOME. Both say 30's to me, but I'm no expert. Enjoy your new toy.


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    The bobbin is regular size but has a huge hole in the middle.
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    In posts 17 & 18, I gave the part# for the bobbins ...& where you can buy them.

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    I have one just like it from my Mother-in-law. I call it the Monster locomotive
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    I just "inherited" one of of these. It's in a desk-like cabinet which is probably from an older machine. Going over websites, on man calls it a "stream liner: because it looks like an Art Deco locomotive. Yours looks much cleaner than mine! It even feels oily, and odd sensaton with the Godzilla skin!

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    Totally retro and beyond weird. Love it.

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