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    Phoenix Automatic 283F

    Hi everyone

    Here is a picture of Fawkes, my latest acquisition. I think he's rather magnificent, especially now that I have the bentwood tray (is this called a tray? I'd love to know what it's actually called on a free arm machine). I've been lusting after a machine with this free arm design and think the use of wood is such a curiosity. Absolutely stunning result I think!

    Anyway, we're having a stormy beginning to the relationship. He's been completely re-wired... We discovered that the paintwork was preventing it being correctly earthed/grounded (!!) - Paintwork is all original, so that's somewhat disturbing. Anyway, all fixed now- and safe.

    I thought I'd managed to stuff up the timing as I had the needle striking metal after I took a bunch of things apart to clean it. However, I discovered that I'd actually knocked the catch that holds the bobbin case in place... so it turns out the needle was striking the bobbin case. I jigged it back into position and now that's all fine.

    The other issue is that the tension assembly is sloppy and I can't figure out how to fix it, despite an in depth discussion with Cecilia and Miriam sharing fantastic documentation and tips on this in Cecilia's thread about her Phoenix. I wanted to come and start a dedicated Klasse 282/283 thread for anyone else who might come along who owns one of these amazing German machines.

    Here are some pics!

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    The distinctive 'clam shell' bobbin area. It also has an eye on the bobbin case that you need to thread the bobbin thread through... I haven't seen that before.

    My favourite feature so far is that you can wind a bobbin from the 2nd spool without unthreading the main sewing thread. The bobbin thread travels a different path which I think is very clever.

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    So cool!!!

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    Fawkes is fabulous! The bent wood table is amazing. I like the rounded leading edges, so much better than the plastic ones made today. I think I will give you 1st prize for coolest sewing machine of the year.
    Sweet Caroline

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    Beautiful machine and I love the bentwood "tray". I hope that you're able to get the tension assembly working correctly soon.

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    The bobbin assembly looks a lot like my SewHandy/ GE machine that I posted. It's an interesting set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    Fawkes is fabulous! The bent wood table is amazing. I like the rounded leading edges, so much better than the plastic ones made today. I think I will give you 1st prize for coolest sewing machine of the year.
    Yay!!!! Thanks Caroline

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    Amelia, I wish I could reach into the computer screen and tweak up your tension for you. Wonderful tray!!! Those are the most amazing machines - they were WAY ahead of their time and just beautifully made. Could you shoot a pic of the back of the machine, too? I'm thinking there is a little plate that covers up your disks for your stitch selectors. That machine has the least complicated stitch selectors I've seen - the disks go in from the back and just in the front of the machine is the lever to choose which stitch. Very clever.
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    Great bentwood extension table. Never seen anything like it, and I love it. Don't know anything about that machine, but from what I've read in the posts so far, it sounds like quite a great machine. Enjoy!
    Mavis

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    Thanks everyone for your lovely comments. I look forward to keeping you all updated as I get the stitches working a bit better.
    Miriam, that extra info is great... I'll get a pic up of the back ASAP

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    What a fantastic machine. Your hard work certainly paid off!
    Linda
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    Blue Ribbon for sure.

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    Beautiful!

    Ameilia, did you end up getting a manual yet? I still need to scan my German manual for someone; I am happy to share it if it helps you. But I also recall that there is a manual in English available online for your 283, for free. Do let us know. :-)

    The bentwood extension table or tray, that is lovely.

    :-)

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    Hey Frudemoo, I've inherited the same machine from my gran who was a seamstress but we had a problem trying to get hold of the secondary belt so my dad took it to a shop and we have discovered today (even though the guy never managed to get us the belt) that the guy in the shop had pulled apart the tension knob and put it back together wrong so now we are struggling to set the tension on it and when it is machining instead of it being perfect as my grab has left it, it now keeps looping on the underside really badly. We don't have any instructions with the model and so am trying to get hold of some. I saw your post and that is why I have joined. I need help, please can you come back to me. Thanks.

    Jo

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    Ps, we also had a bang and smoke so there is defo a a prob with the working even though we have a separate earth wire at the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCropper View Post
    Hey Frudemoo, I've inherited the same machine from my gran who was a seamstress but ... We don't have any instructions with the model and so am trying to get hold of some.

    Jo
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    Ps, we also had a bang and smoke so there is defo a a prob with the working even though we have a separate earth wire at the rear.
    Hi Jo
    Wow, must be super frustrating for you ... Do you want to PM me your email address and I'll try and send the manual through to you? Might be better via Dropbox or some other file sharing platform as I presume it will be a large file once scanned. TBH, this is what's stopped me doing it so far is that I know how to scan the pages but putting it together in some sort of shareable format will be tricky.
    Anyway, don't worry. I have the machine and the manual and we'll get it sorted for you. I think there was a separate earth wire on mine as well but it wasn't actually making contact properly. Anyway, it's hard to know if they're identical without pics etc. I've only just had my first experience looking inside a motor and cleaning it so my understanding is very limited!!
    Cheers, Amelia

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    Well we both have one advantage now. My dad, who she taught to sew on it and also mechanically he watched and helped my grandad (who was a tacker (made shoes and slippers) on the same machine) maintain the machine and my gran taught him to tailor on it. My gran commissioned the machine direct from Jones' in 1952. They were sold in the UK as a Jones 283f. My dad thinks that somewhere in all the stuff from my grans he has the original docs. But I was unsuccessful last night. I managed to view a link to a 282 off the site and has a flashback to when I was 9 and my gran making me thread the thread through the hole on the clam holder for the spool. This was the problem with the looping and through trial and error last night we think we nailed it with the rebuild of the tension knob. I'll check it against yours though to be sure.

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    Ps I've taken a pic with it in the case for you but couldn't upoload it on here lastingly from my iphone

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    Hi, Frudemoo! Was very happy to see your post. My New Years resolution is to start learning to sew on my mother's Phoenix 283F. The picture you sent looks to be identical. A bit of history you might find interesting:

    About 15 years ago I had this machine cleaned and oiled. The gentleman who worked on it said this model was very innovative for its time, and of the highest quality. He said it had "all the bells and whistles" and would have been quite expensive at the time. After my mom passed away, I found the sales receipt. My grandfather (a professional mens' tailor in Frankfurt) bought it on her behalf in 1953. It was described as "slightly used" and went for 450 Deutsche Marks -- equivalent of about $125 dollars in 1953. That's over $1000 in 2015 dollars...

    For some reason the manual that came with it was a 282. The illustrations in it look slightly different from my machine. Too bad it's in German! (I can read it, but only with great difficulty.) I did download the 2-part pdf in English which is at http://rudolfcouture.com/service/sewing-machines/ but it's for a 282/282 F. As I said, mine looks exactly like "Fawkes", with free arm, foot pedal, original carrying case and molded wooden work table. At some point someone rigged up a converter for US electrical outlets. (My mom used it for years here without it blowing up, so hopefully it's safe...)

    After my mom moved to the US around 1955, the store she had bought the Phoenix from sent her the address of a company in Chicago which they said might be able to assist her with parts and service. Roman Raichert is no longer there, but it appears a successor ( http://www.raichert.com/ ) is still in business specializing in imported sewing machines.

    I hope this is of some use or at least some interest to you, and that "Fawkes" is still humming along! Happy 2016,
    Diana Z
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    The distinctive 'clam shell' bobbin area. It also has an eye on the bobbin case that you need to thread the bobbin thread through... I haven't seen that before.

    My favourite feature so far is that you can wind a bobbin from the 2nd spool without unthreading the main sewing thread. The bobbin thread travels a different path which I think is very clever.[/QUOTE]

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    Welcome to QB, DianaZ. You are VERY VERY blessed. I had a Pheonix but I let it go to a little gal who deserved one. Yes those machines were way ahead of their time. There still isn't anything that cool.
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    Ditto what she said. He's quite the handsome dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    Fawkes is fabulous! The bent wood table is amazing. I like the rounded leading edges, so much better than the plastic ones made today. I think I will give you 1st prize for coolest sewing machine of the year.

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    Ah....the Phoenix 283F....I have one sitting in my dining room (in New Zealand). Anyone know of someone who would like it?

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    What she said! (Hi Mavis!)

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    I bought this machine a couple of day ago, Phoenix 283F. I haven't threaded it up yet, it takes a different needle system than I'm used too (need to buy needles). I've had a few rounds of cleaning and oiling, it runs well. There is a cam stack in the back I can take out; it's a metal holder taking 4 cams at a time. Has anyone identified the cam type? I was hoping to track down a few cams and a few presser feet.

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    They are just flat cams but you have to be able to fit them on the shaft and be the correct diameter. Those are very nice machines. Don't forget to thread the bobbin case hole. I have an 82 but let the good one go to a little gal who ssssoooooo needed it. The one I had came with all the attachments and some extra disks. My favorite attachment was the darning/free motion foot. I was able to use regular needles in my machine but it really should take round shaft needles.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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