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Cheshirepat 10-26-2020 12:43 PM

So, I jumped headfirst into a rescue...
 
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My co-worker mentioned he saw a 'black Singer' in a 'box' while he was running to an estate sale at lunch. (Of course, I'd let him know a while back if he ever spotted an old machine, I'd love to know, heh!) I asked a few more questions, but he really doesn't know sewing machines -he's a car guy. :) Anyway I asked what they had on it for a price, he said "$60". My ears went up and I had to go see.
Well, she's a little 99K electric (born May 1953 in Scotland) and in *very messy* condition. Not a lot of rust -we're in the desert, but super dirty, gunked up dried up oil and crackling dry electric cables... only the machine and top of the carrying case. Hrm. Well, I told them it would need a lot of work, and offered them $30, and when they didn't balk she came home with me. I know there are parts out there, and by gosh, I kind of want to get my hands on a fixer upper!
So, I've been watching AndyTube (I do hope his break is short-term! His videos are wonderful!) and being as gentle and brave as I can, been taking her apart to clean and fix. As you can see from the first picture and the one of the bobbin area, I have a bit to do - that's about as dirty as she is all over. The other picture is of her surface, which also is dry, and has some cracking/crazing in the paint. Could I beg a few questions?

So far I've dusted her off with a gentle brush then a damp cloth to remove dirt. I've gotten the bobbin area apart except for the bobbin case...which really needs to come out. Cleaned removed metal parts with tri-flow to ungunk them, then just warm water/dry them. Again, it's the desert, so the parts will dry pretty quickly again.

What do you do with more 'complex' machine parts - like the bobbin ejector assembly -there must be gunk in the middle of that part...do you soak it in some solution/cleaner? Do I dare take all the screws out of it? I do have to figure out how to pull the oil wick 'coil' out, or at lest be able to replace the felt.

What would you do with the finish, assuming I will not take on removing the current clearcoat and paint? I'm not super worried about her perfect paint -she's already got some bare spots. I just want to do what I can with the skills I have to prevent further damage in the time I use her.

Do any of you have a favorite place you'd buy a replacement base for a machine like this? I probably won't have someone make an entire set-in table, just a base for now so I can see if she works.

So far I've not come across any screws that won't give, it just seems to be a matter of taking my time and doing a thorough clean/reassembly/oiling. Of course, I haven't even looked into what it will take to get the motor going, and wires replaced. Well, I've taken apart a laptop and replaced the motherboard. How much worse could this be?! :D

Mickey2 10-26-2020 01:39 PM

You don't need to fully disasseble anything on this machine, maybe in exceptional cases with lots of rust and grime. Your machine doesn't look too bad at all. Slide the bobbin cover completely off, there is a lift up lever that lifts up and towards you, it releases the bobbin case. It will come out with a bit of turning and tweaking the hand wheel. You will reach all parts by poking from top, side and bottom. Unscrew the needle plate as well. You might have to take the hand wheel off to get it properly lubricated, it needs a good amount of oil and it's hard to get enough oil to the outer parts. If you do, smear a good layer of oil on the turning rod as well as the inner of the hand wheel.

For cleaning, use oil, spray can oils (carefully), cotton swabs, tooth picks, rags, ect. Put some kitchen paper under the machine and add oil to all the oil points. You can polish up the presser and needle bar with the right kind of polish (like QuickGlo). Be gentle on the finish, if it is in relatively good condition you can polish it with resin type car polish (liquid types), it lifts up dirt, shine, and leaves a protective film. Some use renaissance wax on their machines. The thin oils and degreasers can cause hickups, so make sure you get a good quality oil reach iinners of joints, hinges and turning parts. Make sure you leave the red felt bit and don't damage it, it's an oil wick for the race and hook.

Any chips or damage in the lacquer you repair by simple touch ups. you can do it simply with nail polish, or you can do it more thoroughly with filling in the missing spot, sand down, finish with the finest grade sanding paper that leaves a shine. A repair likethat can be flawless and invisible.

You can't really test sew this machine until you have a bottm case for it, there are tutorials on how to make your own on the web, and various places to buy simple and even luxury version of them. The original Singer wooden cases were of quite high quality and nicely made. MAke s

For flaky shellac coating take a look at the sticky thread on top of this forum, on repairing japanning. I'm not sure how to tackle that my self.

leonf 10-26-2020 01:51 PM

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Mickey 2 gave great advise. Don't use damp anything on the top if it is water based. Oil everything that moves, or should. 99 is a great machine to jump in with.

OurWorkbench 10-28-2020 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Cheshirepat (Post 8427747)
...What do you do with more 'complex' machine parts - like the bobbin ejector assembly -there must be gunk in the middle of that part...do you soak it in some solution/cleaner? Do I dare take all the screws out of it? I do have to figure out how to pull the oil wick 'coil' out, or at lest be able to replace the felt.

What would you do with the finish, assuming I will not take on removing the current clearcoat and paint? I'm not super worried about her perfect paint -she's already got some bare spots. I just want to do what I can with the skills I have to prevent further damage in the time I use her....

Some links to help with the bobbin ejector assembly and oil wick can be found at http://web.archive.org/web/201610160...obbin_area.pdf https://archaicarcane.com/model-99-a...-dog-cleaning/ https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...g-t195869.html https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...a-t183703.html

For the finish the sticky here - https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...s-t193635.html

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leonf 10-28-2020 06:52 AM

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if you happen across a cabinet or portable case without a head and it is for a Singer don't jump on it. Your 99 is 3/4 size and won't fit many cabinets. You may want to measure it's length, just in case you happen upon one.Then you can look for others.

Cheshirepat 10-28-2020 08:48 AM

Thanks for the words of advice, all! Yes, thanks, I do know it's the 3/4 size...and being a quilter, (hah!) I've already measured her with my tape! I wish I had woodworking skills myself, but I have seen a few (~$100-150+) for sale on Etsy. I didn't spend much on the machine itself so I can put a few into the case or cabinet. What's frustrating is I'm pretty sure I *owned* a cabinet for this model earlier in my life when I *didn't* have the machine...and somewhere in all the moves I let it go. That's just life though, isn't it? I'm sure I'll find something or buy something soon. I don't want to wait forever to use it!

Thanks for the wick references - that felt is really crunchy/hard with old oil, and I'm hesitant to mess with it without some pointers!

I'm excited to get started, she's absolutely beautiful to me, and I love the feel of the solid parts it's made from.

Barb in Louisiana 10-28-2020 06:38 PM

Glenn Cleveland posted a thread about restoring older machines and the best part....he did lots of pictures. It's a lot to read but is great information. https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...s-t193635.html

themadpatter 10-29-2020 07:28 PM

Guess who also just got a 99? I won't hijack your thread, but I wanted you to know that we are once again living parallel lives.

Cheshirepat 10-30-2020 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by themadpatter (Post 8428679)
Guess who also just got a 99? I won't hijack your thread, but I wanted you to know that we are once again living parallel lives.

What?That's madness, Patter!https://cdn.quiltingboard.com/images/smilies/shock.png I hope you're having fun with it!

Mickey2 10-31-2020 04:12 AM

How are you doing? The wick looks pretty good in the picture, but if you want a new replacement, it can be done. I think the old one was wool felt, I'm not entirely sure.

I haven't had much problems with the plastic Apollo bobbins, other than breaking them during a winding messup. I tend to buy metal ones though.

A new base is a bit of a project, either buying or making. I'm keeping an eye on this thread.

Best of luck

Cheshirepat 11-02-2020 08:17 AM

We're doing ok, I think... She is *clean* now. I poked and wiped and oiled and she's feeling so much more sprightly. I got the right v-shaped belt, and now I'm down to the electric work.
When I gingerly plugged the old wires in (they are crackly with age) the lamp lit up, but nothing happened with the pedal/motor. The wires running to the pedal have been spliced and mended with black tape to a 'newer' wire which attaches at the pedal.
I took the pedal apart to dust, etc. It's reasonably clean...just not working.

So, I think I can get as far as putting new wires on everything, but I guess we'll see if that changes anything. I know there's a video out there on servicing the foot pedal - I'll probably take a look at that next.

If it still fails to engage the motor, I may consider buying a new/refurbished old one. I have someone who has offered to give a good price one of the ones she still has around (she refurbishes as well, she and her husband have done it for 20 years now!)
I'm also keeping my eyes open for another 99, maybe not running but one that has a decent base I can use.
I'll attach pics when I re-size them.

Cheshirepat 11-02-2020 12:32 PM

Pics now
 
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Pics Now: You can see the repair job on the wire. Also, I decided to keep the oil wick felt, I just cleaned the ugly bits that had accumulated on the top, and it is indeed, perfectly serviceable! It's now oiled and back in place.
1. Foot pedal and wire
2 Badge
3. Bobbin area finally back together
4. Arm
5. Supervisor is unimpressed

Mickey2 11-02-2020 02:11 PM

If I am allowed to be very fuzzy, you can twist the copper wire around a pencil, make a loop, then solder it. It looks neat, but I think your approach is acceptable. Don't take my criticism too seriously, you did a great job, the machine looks great. The cat looks like it's happy with the situation too lol ;- ) What did you polish with?

Cheshirepat 11-02-2020 03:01 PM

Yeah, that's the previous owner's job there...loose wires like this make me *jumpy*, ha! I would never have left them like this, I promise. I was figuring on changing the wire out due to the splice, but what I saw in the foot pedal...it does need help!

So far I have just used Singer sewing machine oil on the outside, which got rid of all the old oil/junk on it. The metal face plate I took off and gave an extra rub with metal polish, that's all. Everything else just came up shiny after a gentle rub with a white T-shirt. She really wasn't that bad under her coat of dirt and such!

Cheshirepat 11-09-2020 10:42 AM

Only time I had to 'play' this weekend was to disassemble, clean and reassemble the Bakelite button style foot pedal. Videos have been immensely valuable! I found out it has 150 disks in the carbon piles, heh. All have been rubbed clean, placed back in the sides of the ceramic block. Copper contacts as well polished clean from carbon buildup. The foot cushions just needed cleaning, thankfully they are not torn/broken. Next I need to get some insulated wire to re-wire it. I also need the neat little rubber stopper (or something) that sits in the hole in the pedal where the wire comes out...it fell off as chunks of dried electrical tape from the last repair. Although I'm dying to try the machine out, it's good for me to go through all these steps to restore the parts, one by one! I'm really loving it.

QuiltMom2 11-10-2020 04:40 AM

Great progress on your rescue: I'm sure cat supervision has something to do with it!

OurWorkbench 11-10-2020 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by Cheshirepat (Post 8431516)
...I also need the neat little rubber stopper (or something) that sits in the hole in the pedal where the wire comes out...it fell off as chunks of dried electrical tape from the last repair. Although I'm dying to try the machine out, it's good for me to go through all these steps to restore the parts, one by one! I'm really loving it.

https://cdn.quiltingboard.com/images...es/thumbup.pngGood for you - to go through the steps to restore the parts. Sounds like you are progressing nicely.

I think what you want is called a Round Strain Relief.

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JoeJr 11-10-2020 06:31 AM

" I also need the neat little rubber stopper (or something) that sits in the hole in the pedal where the wire comes out...it fell off as chunks of dried electrical tape from the last repair."

Unless you want an original Singer replacement part, you can look for a rubber or plastic grommet at the hardware store.

Cheshirepat 11-10-2020 08:22 AM

Thanks JoeJr and Janey! Good to know the hardware store will have likely have something comparable! I'm writing a list of 'bits and bobs' I need to purchase. I also realized I forgot to pick up a replacement 'tire' for the bobbin winder...Doh! Another stop to the local sew & vac shop, darn. (It's also an amazing store for all things quilting!)

My feline supervisors have been *very* helpful, in a purely theoretical way. :D

Reginaromsey 11-10-2020 09:24 PM

I got a case bottom for 2 of my machines from EBay for $45 each.


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