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Thread: Sewmor Mdl 404

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    Sewmor Mdl 404

    I just got my newest acquisition yesterday. A Sewmor 404 machine.

    It's a Japanese made machine that has a few differences from the average HA-1 machine.
    It's mostly a copy of the Singer 66, but has the round Mdl 15 stitch control. There are other design features that are more late 50s Singer than anything else, like the bobbin winder and the little "S" shape winder tension.
    There is no feed dog control on this machine.

    What I'm looking for now is information about it. Does anyone have any links or info they'd share about the Sewmor machines?

    I don't have any pics yet. And I'll have to hit up my local SMG for a case. The case this one was in disintegrated in transit. It was in pretty bad shape when I bought it, but the rigors of travel finished it off.

    Joe

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    lots of information and pics on here: http://www.quiltingboard.com/picture...p-t164361.html feel free to add the picture of yours on there as well. A Singer 15 manual will work - I'm thinking there is a repair manual as well http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_...uals/15-91.pdf
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    Miriam,

    I'll be taking some pics of my HA-1's this evening. Will get them posted as well.

    Joe

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    Where do you find all of your machiens/ You seem to have some interesting ones. what is an "average HA 1 machine? I ask because I know a lot of people in Indiana, Kentucky, and Ohio and they aren't able to find machiens harldy at all. I lived in Indy once years ago. In fact a friend from Ohio is coming to visit at the end of this month and she is looking ofr a machien. I just thougt they were in short supply back there

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    We've found a couple locally, but a lot of them have come from Goodwill on line auctions. We try to get them as cheaply as we can cos the shipping is sometimes steep.

    http://www.shopgoodwill.com/sitemap/

    Joe

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    Oh, an average HA-1 machine would be like my HOTHER or EDISON or any of those in the "Will The REAL 15 clone please stand up" thread. They look like the old Singers. The square ones from Japan are not HA-1 clones but they are great machines too.

    Joe

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    I have a Sewmor 606, at least that is what the badge says. I have not seen another one that looks like her. Does yours look like mine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    I have a Sewmor 606, at least that is what the badge says. I have not seen another one that looks like her. Does yours look like mine?
    Caroline, Beautiful Sewmor!! You can treadle that machine too- if you want to that is!!
    You have that machine so nice and shiny. I love the look of the last photo of you taking a picture of the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    Caroline, Beautiful Sewmor!! You can treadle that machine too- if you want to that is!!
    You have that machine so nice and shiny. I love the look of the last photo of you taking a picture of the machine.
    Thanks. She actually came nice and shiney. That is what attracted me to her when I was visiting Goodwill. She cost me all of $17.00 plus tax. Just needed a little polishing. Sews nicely also.
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    Caroline,

    No mine looks like a Singer 66 with the modern numbered top tension and a Mdl 15 type round stitch adjusting system.

    The only pic of it I have right now is over on the "Will the REAL 15 Clone please stand up" thread.
    Right now I've got it all apart, well not totally, but all the plates and externals are off for a cleaning and lubing. It was dry dry dry inside. Clean but dry.
    It had the wrong needle in it. A BOYE 40-60 what ever that is. Much shorter than the 15x1 that should have been in it.

    As soon as I get it back together I'll take some better pics.

    Do you have the owners manual for yours? I don't. I know where to get one though.

    Joe

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    Nope, no manual. I did figure out how to thread her. The closest machine that she looks like is a Necchi. I think that she is a hybrid of a Necchi and a Singer 15.
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    Caroline,
    I went to Relics and checked out their page for SEWMOR machines.
    http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals....1834192/1.html
    The pictures they show for the 606 doesn't match yours. But it might be a starting point.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Caroline,
    I went to Relics and checked out their page for SEWMOR machines.
    http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals....1834192/1.html
    The pictures they show for the 606 doesn't match yours. But it might be a starting point.

    Joe
    Thanks Joe. I had looked at the site before and my 606 does not match anything of the Sewmors shown. She does look somewhat like the 202 as she has the feed dog nob and a very similar stitch length lever. My 606 has a nob to the right of the lever to fine tune the stitch length. I am hoping that someday I will find further information or better yet, a manual.
    Sweet Caroline

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    Well, fiddle fuddle. I've been cleaning the SEWMOR for the last two days and finally got it back together. I was going to clean the motor and put it back on when I discovered that the cooling fins inside were all broken to bits. Just rattling around inside the housing. The motor still runs, but for the most part it's toast.
    I snagged my test motor off of Mr. Crinkle and give the 404 a try. Boy does some cleaning and oil make a whopper of a difference. This thing is quiet and runs well. Sews up a storm.
    But, now I got another motor to buy. PHOOOOEY!!!!!!

    Joe

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    I feel your pain Joe. Motors and electrical are the bane of my vintage sewing machine existance. But you have given me an idea to have a test motor handy. My DD purchased a really nice and clean 66 Godzilla that apparently needs re-wiring as she can't get it to run. We are going to purchase a new motor and controll pedal to get the 66 running.
    Sweet Caroline

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    Caroline,

    I've had decent luck replacing the cord wiring in motors, rewiring the wall cord, the presser foot cord and everything between. But when parts of the motor break, it's kind of hard to do that.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Caroline,

    I've had decent luck replacing the cord wiring in motors, rewiring the wall cord, the presser foot cord and everything between. But when parts of the motor break, it's kind of hard to do that.

    Joe
    Yep. I agree, when it is toast, it is gone. I have three hopeless (to me anyway) motors that I am sending to my brother to see if he can restore and repair them. He was a jet plane air conditioning HVAC tech in the Marine Corps and he says he can fix any motor if it is fixable. I am on way my way out this morning to purchase a good soldering iron to add to my repair tool box.
    Sweet Caroline

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    What really bugs me is the motor still runs but the cooling fan shattered. I've never seen that before. And where in world could one find a cooling fan for Dutch made sewing machine motor? I hate to see an otherwise good motor go in the junk box for such a goofy reason. But that's the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    What really bugs me is the motor still runs but the cooling fan shattered. I've never seen that before. And where in world could one find a cooling fan for Dutch made sewing machine motor? I hate to see an otherwise good motor go in the junk box for such a goofy reason. But that's the way it is.

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    Hmmmm. Send me some pictures of the motor and the shattered cooling fans. I will send them on to my brother and see if he has some ideas on how to fix if possible.
    Sweet Caroline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    Hmmmm. Send me some pictures of the motor and the shattered cooling fans. I will send them on to my brother and see if he has some ideas on how to fix if possible.
    Well, I can take some pics of the motor, but to get pics of the cooling fan I'll have to take it apart. So that will happen tomorrow.
    Right now my work bench is occupied by the SEWMOR's case. I stripped the wall paper off the bottom and am gluing it back together. It wasn't broken, the glue just gave up and it came undone.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Well, I can take some pics of the motor, but to get pics of the cooling fan I'll have to take it apart. So that will happen tomorrow.
    Right now my work bench is occupied by the SEWMOR's case. I stripped the wall paper off the bottom and am gluing it back together. It wasn't broken, the glue just gave up and it came undone.

    Joe
    Don't you just love it when the case has been "fixed" by using contact paper? Or, better yet, my DD picked up a pretty Brother Wizard for me today (have not seen it in person yet) and the bottom case is covered and wrapped with silver duct tape. I also have a couple of machine cases that did not ship well at all and I have not tackled the fixing of them. What kind of glue do you use?
    Sweet Caroline

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    I had one case come with termite damage and I have one that is now a case kit - one day the top exploded - boards are warped - then the bottom part of the bottom just fell off. Flood maybe? Machine wasn't in very good shape.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I had one case come with termite damage and I have one that is now a case kit - one day the top exploded - boards are warped - then the bottom part of the bottom just fell off. Flood maybe? Machine wasn't in very good shape.
    Sounds like water or moisture damage to me. I think a lot of machines were put out in the garage and on a concrete floor. The dampness wicks up into the wood. I am thinking that woodworking is a skill to be added to our skill set.
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    I think the kit one was in a damp Indianapolis basement - the termite case was no doubt in a shed or garage
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Caroline,
    These cases are covered in a weird fabric or wallpaper from the factory. I'm pealing it off because when the case came apart it tore the paper up and it looks hideous.
    I'm not sure if I'm going to recover it with cloth or wall paper. But I'm going to try to match it as close as I can.
    Got any idea where I can find alligator skin pattern wall paper in brown and black? Or a fabric like that? That's what I need.

    Mirium,
    Water or moisture is the a #1 enemy of these cases. I'm about 99% positive they used water soluable glue when they assembled them and after they soak up the moisture the glue just gives up. I've repaired 2 that were broken, and am completely redoing two that just came apart. The same glue was used in all of them. It's brownish and looks like a layer of thick shellack but it don't hold no more.

    The glue I use is Elmers Carpenters glue. I've never had it come apart after gluing things together with it.

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