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    Unhappy Singer 221 help! Throat plate

    Hi I am wondering if anyone can advise me. I was sewing on my little jewel today when it jammed up on me. I first dremoved the bobbin. The hand wheel froze. The needle broke and seemed jammed in the feed. I them removed the throat plate. Found thread in the bobbin case which was difficult to remove.
    With the bobbin removed and throat plate it runs. As soon as I replace the bobbin and throat plate it will not move. The finger position on bobbin case is centered correctly but when trying to move wheel it for es throat plate to move out of position because finger hits the underside of the throat plate. I hope this makes sense. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    The finger of the shuttle has to go in the groove of the plate
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    Miriam thank you. I have done this but as soon as I turn the wheel it hits the side of the piece where you see the screw and will not move.

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    Is some microscopic thread or a piece of needle still jammed in there? Are the screws in the top of the throat plate in tight enough?
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    carole,

    Just to be sure everyone is on the same page, I drew a circle around the finger of the shuttle and placement miriam is speaking about.

    When you take off the throat plate, the finger slides out of position. When you re-install the throat plate you have to make sure the finger is between those two notches on the throat plate. Also, make sure the throat plate is seated correctly (flush with the top of the bed of the machine) otherwise the shuttle finger can slip out of place.

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    Thanks for the pics...I wanted to replace my throat plate for a marked one with the seam allowances but had hesitated because of not know what to do...had heard FW were slightly different in that regard!

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    BTW the pic is of a 301 but it all works the same - thanks for the circle - it is in the exact place!
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    Hello Miriam, Still no joy here. I have the bobbin placed exactly as your picture shows. when I screw down the throat plate the hand wheel will not move. When there is no bobbin or throat plate everything moves. Thanks for your help.
    on a happier note I was able to do free motion quilting on my Singer 15-91 dated 1935 , which i bought at a garage sale for $18.00 cabinet and all. I may have to take my FW in for service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carole315 View Post
    Hello Miriam, Still no joy here. I have the bobbin placed exactly as your picture shows. when I screw down the throat plate the hand wheel will not move. When there is no bobbin or throat plate everything moves. Thanks for your help.
    on a happier note I was able to do free motion quilting on my Singer 15-91 dated 1935 , which i bought at a garage sale for $18.00 cabinet and all. I may have to take my FW in for service.
    carole,

    Can you post a picture of your machine with the same view as miriam posted?

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    If it is locked when the needleplate is on, there is probably a thread jammed behind the bobbincase base preventing it from moving. The bobbincase base is the unit with the post that the bobbibcase attaches to. The instructions for removing the BC base are here: http://www.singer-featherweight.com/...Service17.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by carole315 View Post
    Hello Miriam, Still no joy here. I have the bobbin placed exactly as your picture shows. when I screw down the throat plate the hand wheel will not move. When there is no bobbin or throat plate everything moves. Thanks for your help.
    on a happier note I was able to do free motion quilting on my Singer 15-91 dated 1935 , which i bought at a garage sale for $18.00 cabinet and all. I may have to take my FW in for service.
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    picture of bobbin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    If it is locked when the needleplate is on, there is probably a thread jammed behind the bobbincase base preventing it from moving. The bobbincase base is the unit with the post that the bobbibcase attaches to. The instructions for removing the BC base are here: http://www.singer-featherweight.com/...Service17.html

    Cathy

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    carole,

    Here's a link that may help with removing the bobbin case: http://mysewingmachineobsession.blog...bbin-case.html

    BTW excellent picture - you've got the finger right where it should be. You mentioned you broke a needle - did you get all the broken pieces out of the machine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carole315 View Post
    Hi I am wondering if anyone can advise me. I was sewing on my little jewel today when it jammed up on me. I first dremoved the bobbin. The hand wheel froze. The needle broke and seemed jammed in the feed. I them removed the throat plate. Found thread in the bobbin case which was difficult to remove.
    With the bobbin removed and throat plate it runs. As soon as I replace the bobbin and throat plate it will not move. The finger position on bobbin case is centered correctly but when trying to move wheel it for es throat plate to move out of position because finger hits the underside of the throat plate. I hope this makes sense. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Did you change the needle? I was having the same problem, changed the needle and it worked fine. I did everything suggested above.
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    When we first got my F.W.221, I thought I could take the bobbin out and clean and do all sorts of things; just like my old Stradivarius of 1961. Not true; I had to take it to the repairman who got it going again.
    Don't know what he did to it, but he carefully instructed me to" just take the bobbin out; don't take the whole thing apart. When you need to clean and clear out the dust, lint, ect, get the canned air from Wal-Mart or Big Lots, and that will do it."
    I honestly don't know what you need to do now, but bet some of the other gals will knowQ!
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    Mariah said, " When you need to clean and clear out the dust, lint, etc, get the canned air from Wal-Mart or Big Lots, and that will do it. "

    NO!!!!!!
    You don't want to use the canned air!!! From all that I've been told, it will just push the dust and things farther into a sewing machine. Use paint brushes and other thing instead of the canned air!
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    I'm sorry, but I don't agree that you should never take that area apart. It's an important part of the maintenance of these machines, and it's covered in the owner's manual - pages 7 and 8.

    Here's a great visual tutorial on how to take it apart and reassemble:
    http://thefeatherweight221factory.co...MachineJam.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    I'm sorry, but I don't agree that you should never take that area apart. It's an important part of the maintenance of these machines, and it's covered in the owner's manual - pages 7 and 8.

    Here's a great visual tutorial on how to take it apart and reassemble:
    http://thefeatherweight221factory.co...MachineJam.php
    That is well done!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    That is well done!!!
    I agree, it's the best I've seen. It demystifies everything.

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    Isn't the finger to the bobbin case off to the left a little bit?

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    In the picture it looks that way. Today however I did remove the bobbin case per the great tutorial from the featherweight factory web site that I never heard of. Thanks to you all. Now it just needs some fine tuning. Boy I hope I never lose that gib screw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carole315 View Post
    Boy I hope I never lose that gib screw!
    A magnetic pin cushion is a great place to put the gib screw when you are working on the machine. It also doesn't hurt to have another magnet of some kind to wave over the floor in case you drop it - ask me how I know.

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    Success! Thank you all ! Today I did remove the bobbin case. I admit I was worried that I might make things worse but then I thought if I do then it only means a trip to the sewing machine shop. Removing the gib screw was scary. I did have the perfect screw driver and used tweezers to lift it out. The illustrations on the from the featherweight221factory web site saved the day. When I had the bobbin finger in the EXACT position it lifted right out!
    Guess what no thread in there! I did clean and oil the area and put everything back. Took a few tries to get the exact position but I did it. I am one happy person. Thanks to quilting Board I would never have learned so much. I love this message

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    Forgot to mention my husband was able to get the bobbin case to move ttwit was stuck in any case. I think when I had the thread jam and broken needle the bobbin finger might have shifted out of position.

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    I'm glad you were able to get it working!!!
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    Me too! I also know about losing that little screw! Mine fell on the floor when I was trying to put it back in place and I used my telescoping magnet to find it. Those magnets come handy in with my machines, pins and needles. Did I mention that the grand kids love them too? They have broken a few playing with them stretched out too long. But they love picking up closed safety pins with them!

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