Just wondering if anyone has a refurbished Voyager 17" Longarm Quilting machine ?? Or had a new one ? I was at a quilt show a few weeks ago and someone was there selling refurbished ones with a new Hinterberg Stretch frame. It has a stitch length regulator, end tensioners, flexible lamp, external bobbin winder, cloth aprons and starter kit with DVD. You can order them for $3999.00. Are they good machines, is the price good or any other advice would be helpful. Is it a good system for a beginner ?? I'm not sure if I'm going to get one yet, but it's something I've been thinking about. I don't want to spend too much as I might not like it. Don't know if I will really get into long-arming..I never even played around with the one at the show. Don't know anything about any of the different machines or frames out there. Thanks for any info.