I raised my daughter till she was 16. She was an honor role student, with a mean child spanking mom that had a leash wrapped around her. At the age of 16 she moved to her fathers. He didnt have rules, her grades dropped, she blew her college fund on nothing, and just got out of jail for helping run a meth lab. She called me on the phone when she was caught, again I was mean. I let her know how dissapointed I was and how she put my grandbaby in great danger, she cried and told me I was mean. To bad. Now that shes out of jail and trying to fix her life shes told me how she should've listen to me years ago and stayed at the old meanies house. Her father didn't care enough to make her mind, and he doesnt care enough now to call her and inspire her to stay on the right track. Not all kids need to be spanked, but if its needed its worth it.