Gail, I use the PVC lap frames for quilting. They are similar to the one shown in first thread, just as a size the use on your lap. Mom got one the other day at Joann's. Plus I think my dad made some when he was better able to use power tools (scary thought nowadays). So I have one that is about 14x14 that I use to quilt the blocks with and one that used to be probably about 24x24, but I had hubby cut it down to about 14x24 that I use for my borders so I don't have to move as often.