ROFL ~ shoulda keep my mouth shut? LOL I am thinking of making a tute, the problem is, I know the mechanics of an OBW, its simple geometry to me... but I have not made one yet LOL. I have a very analytical mind... I get teased, most people can either create, or do math... Ok, spilling the beans here... I am 51% left-brained and 49% right brained... very few like me out there... so I am blessed with both, and loving every minute of it!