I hear you . I try to think of the crap I put my mom through and how I turned out. I am going through my DD's growing pains now too. You may have seen a recient thread about my blue empty nest. THey have to experience their own things and they will come to realize we were not all wet with what we taught. I just hope for us and them that it happens before they do anything that can't be undone. I will keep praying for us both