I have been reading Billy's big thread and at about page 300 I decided to cut and past all the W&W No. 9 info to this thread as I come to it. Perhaps it will be useful to other owners.
I can cut and past the posts, but cannot (or have not) take time to say who made the post. Some posts are signed. Thanks to all!
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The needles you bought should work fine in your 9W... The other size to watch for is Boye #18. The number 18 is a style of needle, not the size...
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Billy, I know you are going to figure out what needles we can use if we can't get the 127X1 for the Singer 9W, but you also said that we may have to recalibrate the timing or something?
You don't have to retime the machine just time the needle in the holder. The correct needle has the flat spot on them and its a no brainer putting one in. The industrial needles are round shank and you have to make sure that the needle is sitting in the needlebar correctly before taking off and sewing. If your not careful you can hurt the hook assembly and then your looking for a parts machine.
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I heard back from Kevin Pinkerton, and these are his remarks on the replacement needle for Wheeler and Wilson 9:
There is an ebay seller who I have worked with who sells Organ, Schmetz and GB MY1014 needles. I had him order me some additional sizes and he still has some of them for sale. I told him about these needles and suggested he add some verbiage to them on ebay. So you will see references to Wheeler & Wilson 127x1 needles with Schmetz needles in the photo on ebay. I suggested that he offer them in lots of 10 needles. So he has done that. But he has also listed them in larger quantities, but appeared to set the price higher under the antique listed needles in larger quantities. He does not reference the MY1014 needle identification in the particular needles he has listed for Wheeler & Wilson, but that is what they are. But, he still has the same needles listed under MY1014. His prices are very reasonable, and to be honest, there are very few other places to find these needles on the internet.
I have bought some Organ MY1014 needles from CTSUSA.com and these are fine, and cheap, but they are slightly ball point.
I have bought some Schmetz needles from the ebay seller and they are very sharp point. I have bought some GB needles from the same ebay seller and they are slightly ball point. He also has some Organ needles listed and he says that they do not have the BP on the label so he thinks that they are not ball point. I would tend to agree with him, but I have not bought any of them yet. I have a pretty good stockpile of MY1014 needles now.
The MY1014 needles will work in the W&W #9, W&W #8 and the Weed Family Favorite #3.
I cannot tell you what the difference is, if there is any, between MY1014A and MY1014B.
This is the information from TreadleOn:
I was able to find some very nice Schmetz MY 1014B needles on the internet in size 80. I asked the vendor if he could get me size 75 and size 90 also. These needles are not ball point like the Organ MY 1014B needles are. They are very sharp. It appears that all Organ has is ball points, but they are not very rounded ball point. The vendor was able to get the other sizes Schmetz needles for me. I have successfully used these needles in the W&W D-9, and in the Weed Family Favorite #3. I have been informed by several other onions that these needles work great in the W&W #8 and almost all of the W&W #9s, and just recently in a Elmira (National) which did not like the Boye #14 or 15x1 shank diameters (Thanks Trina). I will say that the MY1014 needle has a longer eye then the Boye #14 and 15x1, but apparently the Elmira did not mind.
The vendor who worked with me on getting these other sizes is Chau Ngo also known as NgoSew and he can be reached at
[email protected]. He still has some of these needles in the 75, 80 and 90 sizes and if the interest is there, he will gladly get more.
The MY1014 needle is round shanked and it's shank is smaller then the original needles I have used it to replace. I believe that this needle has great potential for many old machines that need a longer eye and smaller shank then 15x1. This is only my opinion and all of the caveats apply about using anything other then the original needle intended for your antique sewing machine.
That being said, Billy has also said he intends to order needles from different manufacturers and try them out, so hopefully you will be able to order from him soon.
I have NOT tried any of these needles myself, and am just passing on information from another source.
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Okay its really simple if you look at it like this.........
Look at the needlebar from the top and think of it like a compass. The back of the machine is North, the pillar side is East, You sew from the South, and the faceplate is on the West.
You want to time the needle to where the hole runs East-West like they normally do. If the needle is timed a little to the northeast or the southeast it will mess up the hook.
Billy