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Thread: Wheeler & Wilson No. 9

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    Here's the new-to-me Wheeler & Wilson No. 9 with serial number 80018. I found the glass presser foot in the drawer, gave it a quick polish and put it on. I'm going to go slowly with the cleaning, and once I'm finished, I'm making a quilt with it. It's my dream machine.

    I'd like to hear about any experiences you might have with this machine!

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    very nice.

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    Wonderful find!! That is a very popular W&W. Be sure you put pics on the Vintage Sewing Machine Pics thread. They will love it!!

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    Great find!

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    Wow, look at the size of that harp. Nice machine. Enjoy!

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    Very nice! Pretty cool that you can't wait to get started sewing with it. :)

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    Very nice!! What is the harp space on that machine? It looks larger than most vintage machines I've seen.

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    The space measures 9 x 5-3/4 approximately. It's the same machine as the Singer W9 (or 9W?) that was made with the leftover Wheeler & Wilson No. 9 parts when Singer bought the company in 1904. I think the picture gives an optical allusion of great height, and I think it is a bit higher than standard. It was advertised as a "High Arm."

    I'm guessing it's great for quilting, and I would love to hear from other owners of this treadle machine.

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    Nice

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    Very nice machine and I did add this to the VSMS Virtual Thread! :D

    Billy

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    Very pretty.

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    What a cool machine, thanks for posting! and congratulations- who would have thought they would use glass for the feet? Guess it makes sense as there probably was not any clear plastic back then!

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    The glass foot is slightly crunched where the needle has missed the hole. I'd love to sew with it and not harm it further. The glass foot was invented for the No. 8, but was still issued with the No. 9. Question: Was a glass foot sold with the Singer "Wheeler & Wilson" after 1904?

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    WOW! Ain't she a beaut. :)

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    Very cool!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuv2quilt
    WOW! Ain't she a beaut. :)
    Yep, a beaut! The photos were taken with my crappy cell phone camera. Better pictures later when I clean her up. I'm going to go slowly and carefully, thanks to Billy's tutorial. (Besides, the LaVincendora is still in pieces -- this is all too much, too fast. Ain't life on the internets sweet?)

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    A wonderful treasure

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstQuilt
    The glass foot is slightly crunched where the needle has missed the hole. I'd love to sew with it and not harm it further. The glass foot was invented for the No. 8, but was still issued with the No. 9. Question: Was a glass foot sold with the Singer "Wheeler & Wilson" after 1904?
    No Singer did not use the Glass feet that I know of. Singer used up what stock that they had after the acquisition but then started casting the 9W to fit their cabinets and needs. It was a short run machine and few examples are out there, I am still trying to find one of the left over Singer 9W but that will be a fun one to find.

    Billy

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    Beautiful!

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    Cool!!!!!

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    I see in the Wheeler & Wilson No. 8 owner's manual that it had an assortment of four different glass feet. Did No. 9 have more than one?

    I love this sewing machine!

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    Wow, your machine is beautiful!!

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    The Wheeler and Wilson No. 9 is gathering in the kitties: deplaylady, bisseau, and grayhare! And one horse and 2 puppies!
    Love those animal friend avitars.

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    I have been reading Billy's big thread and at about page 300 I decided to cut and past all the W&W No. 9 info to this thread as I come to it. Perhaps it will be useful to other owners.

    I can cut and past the posts, but cannot (or have not) take time to say who made the post. Some posts are signed. Thanks to all!
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    The needles you bought should work fine in your 9W... The other size to watch for is Boye #18. The number 18 is a style of needle, not the size...
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    Billy, I know you are going to figure out what needles we can use if we can't get the 127X1 for the Singer 9W, but you also said that we may have to recalibrate the timing or something?

    You don't have to retime the machine just time the needle in the holder. The correct needle has the flat spot on them and its a no brainer putting one in. The industrial needles are round shank and you have to make sure that the needle is sitting in the needlebar correctly before taking off and sewing. If your not careful you can hurt the hook assembly and then your looking for a parts machine.

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    I heard back from Kevin Pinkerton, and these are his remarks on the replacement needle for Wheeler and Wilson 9:

    There is an ebay seller who I have worked with who sells Organ, Schmetz and GB MY1014 needles. I had him order me some additional sizes and he still has some of them for sale. I told him about these needles and suggested he add some verbiage to them on ebay. So you will see references to Wheeler & Wilson 127x1 needles with Schmetz needles in the photo on ebay. I suggested that he offer them in lots of 10 needles. So he has done that. But he has also listed them in larger quantities, but appeared to set the price higher under the antique listed needles in larger quantities. He does not reference the MY1014 needle identification in the particular needles he has listed for Wheeler & Wilson, but that is what they are. But, he still has the same needles listed under MY1014. His prices are very reasonable, and to be honest, there are very few other places to find these needles on the internet.

    I have bought some Organ MY1014 needles from CTSUSA.com and these are fine, and cheap, but they are slightly ball point.

    I have bought some Schmetz needles from the ebay seller and they are very sharp point. I have bought some GB needles from the same ebay seller and they are slightly ball point. He also has some Organ needles listed and he says that they do not have the BP on the label so he thinks that they are not ball point. I would tend to agree with him, but I have not bought any of them yet. I have a pretty good stockpile of MY1014 needles now.

    The MY1014 needles will work in the W&W #9, W&W #8 and the Weed Family Favorite #3.

    I cannot tell you what the difference is, if there is any, between MY1014A and MY1014B.

    This is the information from TreadleOn:

    I was able to find some very nice Schmetz MY 1014B needles on the internet in size 80. I asked the vendor if he could get me size 75 and size 90 also. These needles are not ball point like the Organ MY 1014B needles are. They are very sharp. It appears that all Organ has is ball points, but they are not very rounded ball point. The vendor was able to get the other sizes Schmetz needles for me. I have successfully used these needles in the W&W D-9, and in the Weed Family Favorite #3. I have been informed by several other onions that these needles work great in the W&W #8 and almost all of the W&W #9s, and just recently in a Elmira (National) which did not like the Boye #14 or 15x1 shank diameters (Thanks Trina). I will say that the MY1014 needle has a longer eye then the Boye #14 and 15x1, but apparently the Elmira did not mind.

    The vendor who worked with me on getting these other sizes is Chau Ngo also known as NgoSew and he can be reached at [email protected] He still has some of these needles in the 75, 80 and 90 sizes and if the interest is there, he will gladly get more.

    The MY1014 needle is round shanked and it's shank is smaller then the original needles I have used it to replace. I believe that this needle has great potential for many old machines that need a longer eye and smaller shank then 15x1. This is only my opinion and all of the caveats apply about using anything other then the original needle intended for your antique sewing machine.

    That being said, Billy has also said he intends to order needles from different manufacturers and try them out, so hopefully you will be able to order from him soon.

    I have NOT tried any of these needles myself, and am just passing on information from another source.

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    Okay its really simple if you look at it like this.........

    Look at the needlebar from the top and think of it like a compass. The back of the machine is North, the pillar side is East, You sew from the South, and the faceplate is on the West.

    You want to time the needle to where the hole runs East-West like they normally do. If the needle is timed a little to the northeast or the southeast it will mess up the hook.

    Billy

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    That is a really nice machine.

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