Moonrise, I do see your point and you obviously dont know the permanent damage that years of verbal abuse (from someone with a bad attitude) can cause. For example you can start out in life with a dad who vrbally abuses you and grow up to marry a man who verbally abuses you til you 1) think this is normal and 2) you do deserve it. However when you see your grandchildren follow the same pattern and you know it is because yu did not stop the cycle the devastation can be almost insurmountable. Now, having said all of that,L et me say that I am a small, soft spoken, soft as a marshmallow grandmother who is no threat to anyone unless you think you are going to run over me or mine . It just has to stop!! And the sooner the better!!