Well i have a ken quilter (short arm) and can only do a 6 or 61/2 inch pattern and was just wanting a bigger one.But with the tin lizzie with the wood frame is a 10 foot table.I was wanting the twelve ft table metal frame but it was 2000.00 more.So the dealer tells me i would have to buy the electrical conduet 1 1/4 inch pipe because they dont sell the 12 ft with the wood frame.Buttttt im thinking the leaders that goes on the poles will not be long enough for the 12 ft poles.So i guess i will need to call the dealer back and ask a few more questions lol.