I tried a frame I bought on eBay. Not sure if it was me or the frame but didn't like the result. I recently did my first one with a hoop. MUCH better results. According to the lady that taught me, the tricks include careful prep...laying out the 3 layers and basting them sufficiently And having them in the hoop but saggy yet smooth. As far as the needles go...if short ones don't work for you,use what is comfortable and adjust your stitching method... Good luck!