for the non corned beef believers: try boiling it MINUS the spice package rinse the meat first.. boil for 2.5 to 3 hours low simmer sorry.. and then take it out pat it dry. coat it in mustard. take a mix of brown sugar with 1/4 tsp cloves pat it all over the top put in over 350 degrees for 30-40 minutes til glazed and crunchy looking on top. presto carve it its so different from boiling with the traditional cloves/bayleaves/peppercorns. I love both ways but today they are not loving me. heartburn central. darn it! packed it up to share with my driver. She will love it she doesnt cook and me.. bland bland dinner which will please the punches out the man who hates most foods anyways.