Thanks for your thoughts. I am also thinking of the HQ16 or the Avante. I have not gone in and tried them yet. When the weather is warmer I am taking a day trip to try the HQ. The Artistic 18 is in my area, with good customer service. I will be visiting a owner of the Artistic 18 in the near future to get pros and cons. Maybe by fall I will have made up my mind.