I have a Gammill 18/8 Vision and love it. There are a lot of longarmers in my area and most have a Gammill. That is one of the main reasons I bought it (plus a really nice sale) because during my learning curve, I had a lot of friends to ask questions of and they had usually already had and solved the same problem I was having. Most of my problems were user error. I would recommend taking a class with any machine you get. I did and it took away a lot of my fears with the machine.