Thank you for reminding me. The first quilt I ever made I did Eleanor Burns turn it inside out using the backing and batting attached system. Then I stitched the outer border firmly with my regular sewing machine and tied the center. That was made with thick polyester batting and is still my favorite nap quilt. It washes well and wasn't really a great job for it was my first but has lasted more than twenty five years. It is certainly cheaper than my long arm quilter's two hundred dollars per quilt. I'll do some than way again.